We can do enforcement. And have when we had to control spikes. As we have done successfully. But that does not please conservative donors and backbenchers. Who find the principle of prioritising life and welfare of citizens over money sloshing in repugnant. And so we have had repeated I'll advised lifting of lockdown, not prompted by the public. The public, now, are largely very apprehensive about the lifting of the lockdown. As with the Iraq war and many other destructive damaging destabilising conservative and neoconsevative decisions of the past, it is done in our name, but definitely not in our interest.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Further to that the notion that you can rely on the British public is simply never ever going to work.
You can't beat a pandemic with D.I.Y
Sorry but I don't find your realistic answers to be realistic at all the word I would use is disastrous or even catastrophic
About as good as Lincoln's decision to go to the Opera
42,302 cases. Well on the way to the promised land of 100,000.
https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/hydrogen-refueller-reaches-the-farthest-corners.41472/
Did you notice my post about H2?
https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/hydrogen-refueller-reaches-the-farthest-corners.41472/
50K / day was predicted by 19/07. It’s really going to accelerate from Monday onwards when the public become responsible for their own destiny.
Delusional, no we haven't, that's why we are where we are, a huge swathe of the public have ignored our ineffectual "enforcement". They don't just ignore, they openly defy with large protest demonstrations and marches.
Our infection and death rates show how unsuccessful we've been.
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And you think you have a realistic answer? Throwing more money away to achieve nothing.
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I hadn't!. Maybe my mistake for doing a few queries about hydrogen a few weeks ago, but I am now getting lots and lots of information about pilot and early adopter schemes. The key point I had not picked up until now is that hybrid systems with a low power fuel cell trickle charging a smaller lithium ion battery , for the high power surges makes a lot of sense in utility vehicles. Hydrogen scales much more satisfactorily than battery, and gives a lighter weight package for long range. The weight of a fuel cell and hydrogen storage is less than the equivalent range battery
What is your solution? What would you do that is not being done now (furlough, social distancing laws and mandatory face masks are not working). Explain how your strategy would cause the public to behave differently to how they are today and hence reduce infections.
I think flecc is right, people will only learn and behave appropriately for the given situation after experiencing pain. That’s especially true in the U.K. What’s also true is that when the pain hits again, the public will want to blame someone else for their own stupidity.
Non of the above excuses this government for their lack of leadership and clear guidance.
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it has kept the NHS functioning and lowered the death toll.
Official model predicted 800,000 deaths and the hospitals overwhelmed at 300% of its capacity for the first year if we did not take measures to contain covid.
My realistic answer is to throw vast amounts of money and resources at these things
Intensive research of alternative treatments and methods of killing airborne virus particles either by light or possibly electrostatic charge fields
In other words find and exploit its weaknesses using non medical technology as well
Here is an example
Genius New Device Can Kill 99.9% of an Airborne Virus in The Blink of an Eye
Improved vaccines
Improved treatment for those affected
Improved masks
look at the possibility of treatment via E cigarettes to kill the virus in the lungs before it gets too established
Develop air sanitisers for public places
Set ventilation standards with them included
And of course using lasers and vibration
Shake viruses to death
Start up new factories to produce the above in quantity.
It isn't Rocket Science, just a pragmatic approach to what is in fact a war we can't win by dying in droves, however convenient that may seem to some.
The only way to fight this thing using "Common Sense" would be to develop a vaccine that simultaneously achieved two impossible things
1; Cured Stupidity
2: Reprogrammed the Human brain to think and act logically in response to threats they can't actually see.
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Just have in a post... and yes you are right about this government and the fact that no matter what the threat level the public won't act sensibly
our government is capable of throwing vast sums at test and trace then it should put twice as much into funding research into treatments and make it an absolute priority.
I haven't said I'm against any of these things, of course I'm not and they are already happening. That's how you know about them!!
But they all take a lot of time so we need better meanwhile, not jam tomorrow. You're all agreed we are going to get a lot more deaths short term, so make them serve a useful purpose as I've said.
That is using them to frighten the public into behaving better, NOT doing the following which is what they've been doing thoughout:
Hyping the effectiveness of the vaccines with the 90%+ nonsense.
Hyping how well we've been doing.
Hyping the NHS performance
Hyping the advances in successful treatment of Covid.
Constantly reassuring the public about restriction easements on the way.
Not making predictions about huge number of deaths, since when they don't come true the public become cynical.
All these give the public the impression that there's nothing to worry about since it looks under control. That's reinforced by most people not knowing anyone who has died from Covid and often not knowing anyone who's even caught it, so they think "where's the threat?" or even that Covid is faked.
Instead, concentrate on telling the truth and not the positives:
Concentrate on the rising death numbers only when they actually happen, not failing predictions, and without burying the public in silly charts that make it seem they are trying too hard to convince.
Advise getting the vaccines only to reduce your suffering if you catch Covid, but say that as vaccines to prevent catching Covid they are very poor.
Openly admit the NHS is very limited in what it can do to treat Covid once caught.
Regularly report the pressures on crematoriums, burial grounds and funeral directors struggling to cope as the true death numbers rise.
Report on the rise in planning applications to build crematoria.
In a nutshell, just giving the public the gloomy prospects to get the message to sink in.
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With rates already going up so alarmingly it is going to be very difficult to analyse data and isolate (a) this pre-existing 'base' growth, (b) spikes from the world cup, and (c) extra growth from premature removal of the lockdown.
The £300 billions wasted in closing businesses where they'd be safer and keeping people off work to crowd onto the beaches in droves would have been a good start in this.
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Is AstraZeneca's jab slightly weaker than Pfizer's? Study
Imperial College London experts found that fewer than 85 per cent of over-80s had detectable levels of the virus-fighting proteins two weeks after their second AZ jab.
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Imperial College London researchers found fewer than 85 per cent of over-80s had detectable levels of the virus-fighting proteins two weeks after their second AZ jab.
By contrast, the proportion of over-80s with antibodies after getting the second Pfizer vaccine was almost 98 per cent.
And might I suggest , remove the nonsense of a death within 28 days of a positive CV19 test . We know that people linger on for weeks and weeks, often in high dependency or ICU , before finally losing their struggle.