Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

Lets put this into perspective OG always posts the truth as he sees it and makes justifiable claims where he perceives things being done wrongly
You are the one that uses any and all opportunities to launch into personal attacks on anyone you disagree with.
What the heck as "Conspiracy theories" to do with what the Government did with the Elderly?
Good grief, is this from Amnesty International a conspiracy theory then?
"
UK: Older people in care homes abandoned to die amid government failures during COVID-19 pandemic
It's not the case that it had been done by mistake or incompetence, but it wasn't
When you send hundreds of innocent old people from a place of relative safety and put them in harm's way resulting in mass deaths
Calling it a cull is being generous ,if China did that we have would have cried out and called it a far less pleasant name.

Try taking your own advice
"So either be objective all the time or leave it out. "
Even occasionally would be a vast improvement

I promise this is my last post on here.
I have never condoned any actions later seen to be poor decisions by this Govt. I have said all along they have done fantastic with vaccines, no more, no less.
Saying they have culled people is offensive. Fact.
As for the continual attack on anybody associated with tories from yourself or Agnew is appalling especially so when you consider why we have a Tory government in first place. Which is, there simply is no alternative. Labour has destroyed itself with the help from such as you and Agnew. It has become like you and Agnew both offensive and intolerant of different opinions. Fortunately the country has not.
You obviously don't need to look for things to moan about but insist on doing so.
I, m pleased you got your first jab months, probably years before rest of world and I, m pleased you got your second yesterday. Perhaps you could appreciate the people in UK that made that possible. But you won't, you will continue expressing your propoganda that"this lot culled people *but willingly stood in line for your second vaccine provided by "this lot".
Hypocrit and bigotry doesn't even start to describe your attitude.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

I promise this is my last post on here.
I have never condoned any actions later seen to be poor decisions by this Govt. I have said all along they have done fantastic with vaccines, no more, no less.
Saying they have culled people is offensive. Fact.
As for the continual attack on anybody associated with tories from yourself or Agnew is appalling especially so when you consider why we have a Tory government in first place. Which is, there simply is no alternative. Labour has destroyed itself with the help from such as you and Agnew. It has become like you and Agnew both offensive and intolerant of different opinions. Fortunately the country has not.
You obviously don't need to look for things to moan about but insist on doing so.
I, m pleased you got your first jab months, probably years before rest of world and I, m pleased you got your second yesterday. Perhaps you could appreciate the people in UK that made that possible. But you won't, you will continue expressing your propoganda that"this lot culled people *but willingly stood in line for your second vaccine provided by "this lot".
Hypocrit and bigotry doesn't even start to describe your attitude.

Seriously dude, chill. I dont follow the thread as closely as I used to, but honestly dont know of any instance in which anyone said anything offensive about you? And I'd know, I get offended, frequently, personally as part of my day job

 

[oldgroaner]

Hypocrit and bigotry doesn't even start to describe your attitude.

You summed yourself up perfectly in the last line, but many thanks for the leap of imagination that conveys on just a couple of us the immense power to sway the opinion of millions of people away from supporting the Labour Party.
Remember you in fact admitted to voting for Brexit (after denying you had in the first place) which was the moment of greatest error that started the rot leading to where we are now.
Not those who you blame for the present situation
Your mess , own it!
Incidentally are you trying to beat Farage's number of retirements?
Au Revoir
Have a nice day

 

[flecc]

Zlatan going, Jesus H Christ not been in for several days, Suzan sort of going,

Maybe we'll at last be able to get away from the anti EU phobia and discuss other matters. The thread after all is not about the EU, it's about the UK leaving it and the consequences.
.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

A watchdog that the former PM set up finds he was not required to declare himself on the register of lobbyists.

Good Dog!

Call me dave signed up as "senior adviser" for greensill as soon as legally possible. a corrupt lobbyist on top of everything else, but it doesnt even cause a ripple in brexit uk.

 

[oldgroaner]

Here is proof of the benefits of Brexit for the Home secretary
Who spent £77,000 pounds at Beautiful Brows
Despite considerable obstacles from doing so like this

You have to laugh and also

Home Office@ukhomeoffice
Replying to
@ukhomeoffice

The spending in Primark was for asylum seekers who would have not had appropriate clothing when arriving in the UK. We are committed to delivering the best value for money for the British taxpayer, making sure every pound is spent in the most effective way.
And the response on Twitter?

That offer of a free Dinghy is inspired!

We are living in a universe the Monty Python team invented.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Zlatan going, Jesus H Christ not been in for several days, Suzan sort of going,

Maybe we'll at last be able to get away from the anti EU phobia and discuss other matters. The thread after all is not about the EU, it's about the UK leaving it and the consequences.
.

THAT is the snag: everyone, none more so than pro Brexiters on the thread, have been assiduously avoiding thinking or saying anything about that sunny upland, the uk post brexit.

 

[Woosh]

As for the continual attack on anybody associated with tories

I think it was your and JHC's continuous attacks on the EU's vaccine disaster that fuelled the discussion.
Our Pfizer vaccine comes from Europe, the AZ material we bottle in Wrexham comes from Europe and we wave our flag at them.
To me, it's a no brainer. We have to get on with our suppliers.

 

[oldgroaner]

THAT is the snag: everyone, none more so than pro Brexiters on the thread, have been assiduously avoiding thinking or saying anything about that sunny upland, the uk post brexit.

Ooops!
I seem to have forgotten about that being supposed to happen is it still on order?
But it is hard to remember we intended to drain the swamp and create Utopia while trying to prevent the alligators doing their favourite thing

 

[oyster]

is it still on order?

Stuck in the Suez Canal. Another Suez crisis.

 

[Woosh]

where is vfr? it could be the stuff for an incredible movie plot: Agents of the Great Reset.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

where is vfr? it could be the stuff for an incredible movie plot: Agents of the Great Reset.

I've a russian acquaintance who said the same, what a wonderfully simple blame free way to bump the oil price

 

[oldgroaner]

Yes minister on the subject of Nuclear Weapons, resignations and relationship with a member state of the EU

 

[oldgroaner]

Oh Dear. Oh Dear
which Genius came up with this appelation?

 

[oldgroaner]

The Financial Times are having a pop at Boris
Greed is good, but not good enough Boris Johnson’s verbal pirouette on the merits of capitalism had the grace of a container ship turning in the Suez Canal

 

[Woosh]

Stuck in the Suez Canal. Another Suez crisis.

seriously, I am quite worried about the funny war between UK+US and China.
We can't keep on treating China like years past and lecture them on human rights violations.
Trade is the only thing that still keep the situation under control, we don't need to whip up another row.
Put it simply. they don't need us as much as we need them.
When western businesses have to pay $10,000 for a container from China to bring goods in while the same container returns empty to China, there is something very seriously wrong.
They don't want nor need to buy from us while we keep on buying from them.
The blockage of the Suez canal could well be China showing who is boss.

 

[POLLY]

Like your partners Orgasms.....

COVID-19) IS 100% FAKE

 

[Danidl]

There is an extremely comphrensive article by Tony Connelly on the RTE website, regarding the entire vaccine saga. It is much too large to summarise, but is extremely fair to all parties.

 

[Danidl]

COVID-19) IS 100% FAKE

COVID-19) IS 100% FAKE

COVID-19) IS 100% FAKE

There we go mutations again.

 

[oldgroaner]

Rather a tragic twist on Boris Claiming greed is good and capitalism has got us where we are today.
By associating with his policies he has cost Astra Zenecha dearly

The Times ran this

Why AstraZeneca is getting no thanks for vaccinating millions If the company had not committed to rolling out its vaccine at cost it could have made £21 billion. Instead its value has fallen by £27 billion