Brexit, for once some facts.
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Only for the under 50s though, since the rest of us will have had a first dose of something else.We'll be getting Moderna from April. Save arguing about AV/PB.
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Isn't that assuming we have enough AZ/PB to give second injections? Maybe we have, but maybe we haven't.
Doesn't mean we can have a Moderna second jab though, mixing not proved ok yet,
We will get enough AZ and PB though, the EU won't block the second jab supplies, it would condemn them worldwide if they did.
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we need as many doses as we can get, maybe 100 million doses until the rush to vaccinate is over. Low priced AZ would be the long term vaccine.
the situation in the EU should be OK by July. France vaccinates about 300,000 people a day.
the situation in the EU should be OK by July. France vaccinates about 300,000 people a day.
Up to date view of a parking offence
Is it April 1st already?
Brexiters seek to raise £1m to set up 'neutral' Museum of Brexit Leave campaigners behind project only won charitable status by vowing it would tell balanced story
No doubt this will be prominently displayed
Brexiters seek to raise £1m to set up 'neutral' Museum of Brexit Leave campaigners behind project only won charitable status by vowing it would tell balanced story
No doubt this will be prominently displayed
To give it away to others and then boast about it.
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I think that as long as the different vaccines are about equally effective but with slightly different strengths you get better overall results by using a mix. I haven't modelled it or seen any 'respectable' comments to back that up.
I am very much not convinced by that. I don't think it is strength, rather the precise range of virus shapes that our immune systems are primed to recognise.
Imagine a new variation which infects two vaccine recipients. In one, who received vaccine A, the priming means that their immune system does get triggered and it protects the person. In the other, vaccine B, it falls outside the triggering range and the person becomes ill.
Or am I misunderstanding it all?
Rereading my post I see it was ambiguous, apologies (***). When I said 'with slightly different strengths' you quite reasonably read 'brute strength' or potency. What I meant was different strengths as in 'different strengths and weaknesses'; eg the same overall potency but fitting different mutations in different ways.
I agree it is not just 'brute strength' that matters, but the overall effect of virus/vaccine fit, and how that plays out at a large level. In your example if both had the same second vaccine both would have become ill. Expanding that over a full population would give a big increase in the replication factor. It could well be that with the different vaccines the replication factor stayed below 1 whichever mutation hit, but with the same (strong but unfortunately inappropriate) vaccine for all the replication factor goes above the critical 1 value.
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(***) I'm very good at spotting ambiguities in other people's wording; not so good at spotting it in my own.
As Oyster says, it's universal. The mirror of the page tells the truth, the mirror in our minds lies to us.
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Not in my case!
I blame predictive text when my posts turn out wrong
Damn! it's done it again!