Brexit, for once some facts.
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It’s not difficult. If you should have had a test, but haven’t, book one. I don’t see the problem.
You say the auto booking system in Wales is working well. If that’s the case, people won’t need to book themselves in, so that negates any confusion.
Firstly, they do not set the 12 week strategy in stone, they can reverse their advice if the numbers move the wrong way.
they are helped by the lockdown and improving temperature at the moment.
If you look at the rate of weekly reduction in cases, it's -28% while the rate of deaths is -34%.
Similarly, if you look at the rate of reduction since the peak (19-Jan) in deaths among those who are vaccinated it's -57% while the baseline is -47% in those too young to be vaccinated. The 10% difference could have been bigger if the 12 weeks were to be shortened.
I guess in April, they will have to increase the rate of vaccination in line with improved supplied and reduce the 12 weeks to 6-7 weeks.
Cause confusion to whom?
We all know exactly what we should and shouldn't be doing. 20 million have been so confused to roll up for their jabs. My medication still arrives on the dot every month.
I am confused is one of those get out of gaol big lies. Sorry officer I was confused about the speed limits. Sorry sir, I didn't understand my homework shouldn't be copied.
It might help your confusion if you stopped reading flecc's, OG's and my posts. Listen to briefings and ignore the sh! te in media and in here.
Macron comes out with silly comments now and then but he's not the EU.
Most of the EU deploys the AZ vaccine like we do here.
I think that's agreeing with her Woosh. She said similar. But her premise about roll out completion is correct. Time between jabs does not affect total time. OG is confused again and thinks it does.
But, I agree. I do think the delay will be reduced. Logistics and data dependant.
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But the delays are self inflicted by EU, their contracts were late and poorly written. (I posted FT summary about them a few weeks ago) It was an area UK got right. Much tighter contracts, more penalties for delay and initiated 3 months earlier.
Besides, supply is not only problem. Berlin MVC can run at 4000 jabs a day. 250 per day have been rolling up.
And my French mates still have to visit doctor prior to jab for his consent. (one of whom was refused)
And Macron is part of EU problem. His influence is felt throughout it.
Its a common get out when things in EU fail. That's not EU, it's individual countries responsibility. It's the crux of the issue. Who is responsible. EU or individual countries. Nobody knows so confusion reigns. Sort of like I, ve been saying for months. Everybody passes the blame. Nobody takes responsibility.
The contracts for EU needed 6 days to translate to 24 languages. Each country then got 4 days to decide. Including weekends 2 weeks completely waisted. Uk signed their contracts on the day. (and were already 8 weeks infront of EU)
Not a great testament for EU but what is equally damaging is EU supporters incapable of seeing the faults.
Like I, ve asked before, I wonder what would be being said of our govt had it performed in a similar manner. They are getting stick now.
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80% effective at reducing hospital admissions in over 80s after a single vaccine dose. Sorry to repeat it, but this just illustrates perfectly what boll ocks people on here we’re talking when they said JVT, Witty & Vallance are government lackies. They have actually proven themselves to be highly competent government advisers.
It takes quite a time for vaccine effects to show in real data. UK has had very high figures for the past couple of months because (1) of the bad luck of getting a more virulent strain, (2) an irresponsible government delaying lockdown and opening it up over Christmas, (3) lower numbers of ICU beds per head, (4) poor test and trace.
However, if you look at the most recent figures it looks as if the vaccination program is now having significant effect on cases, hopefully to be closely followed by a similar reduction on deaths. There is even some indication (not measured in that data source) that the reduction in deaths may be greater than the reduction in cases.
There is still no significant evidence I have seen one way or the other as to whether it is best to give as many people as possible a first vaccination, or to use that vaccine to give an earlier second dose. I haven't even seen a model that tries to predict that (there must be one out there somewhere, anyone know of it/them?) Sadly the desirable high numbers of first doses and high numbers of second doses is not an option.
latest Covid study by NHS England is here:
hospitalisations/cases ratios:
less than 14 days: unvaccinated: 15.35% BTN: 14.06% AZ 11.39%
more than 14 days: unvaccinated: 15.35% BTN: 9.14% AZ 7.14%
The risk of hospitalisation if you catch Covid is still substantial.
Deaths/hospitalisations ratios:
less than 14 days: unvaccinated: 13.13% vaccinated: 10.40%
more than 14 days: unvaccinated: 13.13% vaccinated: 6.80%
Risk of dying is halved if vaccinated.
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With your economy with the truth, you would make a marvelous finance minister.
The EU had published a process and a probable timeline for approval of any vaccine.. And they then adhered to it. The UK jumped the gun and authorised use of the two vaccines in question using partial data. AZ had contracted to have 100 million doses available in the EU within the first quarter . On 29th January, they informed the EU that they would only be in a position to deliver 40% of that amount. Moreover the evidence they submitted was deficient in data for elderly cohorts. The UK medical authority, working with even less data , made a leap of faith that it will be" ok on the night".
Meanwhile the UK had since 1st December, been vaccinating people with the EU designed and produced Pfizer product, again using partial data to justify the decision. It took the EU another 3.5 weeks to certify the Pfizer.
Then about mid December, the UK decided without peer reviewed Scientific Evidence to stop the manufacturers and certified protocol of giving the second jab 21 days later, . On the supposition that half a loaf was better than none. So now 3 months into the vaccination program 20M have been partially inoculated but only 0.8M have been fully vaccinated.
The UK started vaccination of people in the UK in January with the AZ , so the EU was again only 3.5 weeks behind (or would have been ,had there been product).
The welcome reduction in hospital admission in the UK, is primarily a result of the Pfizer ,and any contribution from the AZ would even at this stage be extremely minor. This is because of the timeframe post innoculation for antibody production. Incidentally ,I have been unable to find the ratio of AZ to Pfizer administered in the UK. Data readily available on the Irish site. Finally there is even now, a greater percentage of Irish people fully vaccinated than UK people.
And Finally Finally the AZ vaccine is no doubt an excellent product and was designed in the UK, but as I needed to remind you, to an Irish design. As the Director of the Lab is Irish and key members of the team also.
The risks for the over 80s is 80% less. Great result.
I suspect that is the case, the combination of all the promotion of how good the vaccines are and all the talk about easement of the restrictions are likely to combine witn fatal effect as I'd already warned. The authorities are in a trap, they need to promote the vaccines to encourage takeup but really should be low key to avoid encouraging too much expectation of safety now.
But a local example of how mixed the picture is. Yesterday I went for a walk in the nature reserve that's on my doorstep and it was quite busy with local people, but the observation of social distancing by all of us was impeccable.
On both of the previous two days I walked different routes but both times passing the local childrens playground. This was shut by the local authority on th first lockdown and has been officially shut ever since, especially now that we are in level 4 lockdown. But both times I passed it was full of children from toddlers upwards with their parent plus some teenagers playing football on the ground provided at the end. As in the reserve these were also local people from our large estate but with starkly contrasting behaviour.
It seems people are very selective about when and if the safety measures apply.
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The contract stated AZ would do it’s best to fulfil the order. They did do their best, but whilst the EU were kicking the tyres AZ were rolling out to the serious buyers.
The EU has ballsed up, end of. @wheeler
As I posted a short while ago, the appointment of their new editor signals a complete change of course. He's a fan of the EU for starters.
I see this as the proprietors realising that the game is going to be up for the Tories and the old order as the combined costs of leaving the EU and dealing with Covid come home to roost, so they are hedging their bets.
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The problem actually occurs from listening to or watching the official briefings. Which gets perpetuated through the media and on forums, etc.
I regularly have to explain to people who have been confused. But I cannot speak as to why they as individuals became confused, remained confused and failed to resolve their confusion on their own. I just try to help them.
You were asked this:
"can you find any quote where the EU rubbished the AZ vaccine?"
But you reply with what Macron said for France and Macron is not the EU. It's what you always do as I've so often pointed out, answer things that have never been said, so constructing a lie.
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