Brexit, for once some facts.
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Marching on the Capitol directly from Trump's rally qualifies more as "instant" than "imminent" or "Indefinite" to me!
I believe not. They rejected on the grounds of insufficient evidence. They went for the 12 week gap instead, which was fine because there was no evidence.
COVID vaccine: Who in Europe is leading the race to herd immunity?
With a fresh wave of COVID infections hitting Europe, which country is best prepared?
www.euronews.com
Rather a different perspective to Guardian...???
I'm sure you could fit immanent in there without too much difficulty.Marching on the Capitol directly from Trump's rally qualifies more as "instant" than "imminent" or "Indefinite" to me!
But only by counting one-dose vaccination.COVID vaccine: Who in Europe is leading the race to herd immunity?
With a fresh wave of COVID infections hitting Europe, which country is best prepared?
Rather a different perspective to Guardian...???
15 million single jabs and 500 hundred thousand double still equates to 15.5 million people vaccinated or 16 million jabs dispensed.. Four times Germany...
Yep, we could have fully vaccinated 8 million people by now instead, still way way ahead of nearest European country.
Proof of pudding will be over next 8 weeks or so. Our number of folk vaccinated will go slower as we admisister 2nd doses but rate of Vaccinations is still highest in Europe.
Yes, could be our strategy is wrong but our logistics of administering jabs can't be faulted.
Yes it can. A 40 year old MP getting one? People able to game the system and get ahead? People in higher groups who had been told NOT to contact anyone suddenly finding out they had been missed and should make contact - urgently (otherwise it will go to someone in a lower group). Many questions over priority policies.
If you look for fault you can always find it. Yes, some may have jumped queue , I suppose I did but only because of spare capacity from no shows.
Yes, we can grumble at some getting jab in lower groups but some countries by choice are doing exactly that.(daughter at 37 got jab December 20th last year, to my mind fantastic..( She, s putting herself at risk and there is an argument to jab all those helping keep society going) When she became infected it certainly put our minds more at ease.)
16 million jabs administered is a great achievement. We should applaud it and be thankful for this success story... We haven't had many..
The younger getting vaccine is probably having a larger effect on R number than vaccinating over 75s??
So what if over 65s are now told they can contact NHS to organise jab? What on earth is problem with that?
Personally don't care who gets jab, if they roll up at vaccine centre at 4 ish and they have spare capacity use the vaccines. Fine, even for MPs... Anybody. It's far better than wasting vaccine and way better than folk turning jab down.
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If it makes sense for younger people to be vaccinated, that should be the policy!
The problem with over 65s being told to contact (I meant the over-70s) is the very fact that they have been missed. The policy was meant to contact all of them and it clearly hasn't managed that. And the "now contact us" message was a sudden change which might not reach those it needs to. One minute you are almost a criminal if you ask, the next you absolutely must ask or you might not get one!
Assessment of it all is difficult.
Also, as throughout this (and pretty much everything the government opens its collective gob about), they fail to explain whether they are referring to England or the whole UK.
According to this report they plan to divert around the Beaufort trench, I can't see this project ever happening the cost would be enormous.Makes a change from "Pie in the sky"
No doubt some chum will be spaffed billions on this, you have to wonder how many realise how deep the tunnel will have to go to get under the Beaufort trench, which is 300metres deep!
Rail bosses plan to build Northern Ireland to Scotland tunnel | UK news | The Guardian
The cost of the connections in Scotland would alone be a considerable burden.
There is also the teeny problem that those who currently use Pembroke Dock, Fishguard, Holyhead, Birkenhead, Heysham, etc., are hardly going to want or be able to divert via Stranraer. Costs - whether fuel, driver hours, stopover costs, shuttle train, and extra time - are not going to be ignorable.
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According to online routing, it would take slightly less time for me to get from home to Belfast via Rosslare than just to get to Stranraer - with the tunnel and Larne to Belfast on top. Plus, pleasant relaxation and meal on the ship!
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Agreed, a Northern Ireland population of well under 2 millions cannot possibly justify the immense cost, so it will never happen.
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Damn it .. I find myself agreeing with you again.
The people charged with keeping society going must be the highest priority The greatest good for the greatest number.. Where in your hierarchy you put policemen ,,first responders , and MPs ,I am not sure, but they certainly are higher than high court judges ,and cost accountants .
If you think it obvious that, for example, active police should have higher priority, just why has the government, and the JCVI, failed to see that?
I do believe that police should have been up with or near health staff as they end up with some unavoidable contact which cannot be satisfactorily countered however good their PPE.
Because although at risk of catching it, they aren't at as high risk of dying of it (with it?)
Primary directive of NHS is to save as many lives as possible, so the route chosen is to comply with that. The ones vaccinated in groups I mentioned are to use up the vaccines from no shows from the priority groups. Personally think it's the perfect approach. You obviously don't... But as they say in Yorkshire these days..."C'est la vie".
I'd have thought the typical age range of police was similar to that of health care staff? Hence likely similar risk of dying if they catch it.
And their widespread contact might be an issue. If vaccination reduces transmission, that alone might make police a good early target.
Agreed, possibly. I, d hope tho the ones likely to die of it in Police force are picked up through their risk group. (ie age or underlying health issues)
Being in an occupation likely to be at risk of infection (ie Police/teachers etc) does not prevent you from vaccination.
Its for perfectly justifiable reasons risk of death groups are taking priority. Wether that decision is correct is subjective, its a fact tho the decision is justifiable even tho some see it as wrong. When we look back at things with hindsight we are in a better position to know what was right and what was wrong. The important issue is if decisions were justifiable at the time. This is one of the decisions we will look back on and say "yes, I can understand the reasoning, it was just".
Others, I, m not so sure. (Cheltenham going ahead last March probably not)
Vaccination is one thing I think we have got right. Suspect history will say same. Even if some things within it are wrong... If that makes sense.???