Brexit, for once some facts.
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Indeed, a good illustration of how little open easily accessible space they have was when they bought some Centurian tanks from us for their army.
Because they couldn't find a big enough open area to use them they reached an agreement with France to transport them there for exercises.
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I'd have expected some fire trains to actually be bi-modal. Seems an obvious approach but possibly technical or cost issues precluded them?
Trains do catch fire, at least our UK ones do from time to time and the lines are often very far from road access.
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I used to fly my hot-air balloon In Switzerland and Austria every January for many years. As you probably realise, most habitation is in the valleys which are served by roads and in many cases, railways. However, many buildings are a long way from the rail track, too far to be of use.
The Swiss and Austrians have the best solution, fire engines. Fire trains are ridiculous in all settings.
interesting concept. It is ideal for situations where the fire starts inside a tunnel.
Norway buys in too.
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The trains will be centrally stationed to serve three areas: one in Geneva to serve the new Ceva line and the region around Lake Geneva; one at Melide for south Ticino and the Ceneri Base Tunnel; and one at Brig for the Lötschberg Base Tunnel, the Simplon line and the canton of Valais. Each will have its own crew, ready to move off within a few minutes at any time.
Each fire-fighting unit consists of a rescue vehicle, a tank wagon and an equipment vehicle. It can travel up to 100km/h and is powerful enough to rescue a 1600-tonne train. The driver’s cab and rescue vehicle, which can accommodate up to 60 people, are equipped with an independent air supply system and equipment for up to 23 firefighters. The tank wagon holds 50m3 of water and 1800 litres of foam extract. The rescue and firefighting equipment vehicles each have their own diesel engines enabling each unit to operate independently as required.
Railroads have firefighting trains for these types of incidents:
- to put out fires caused by their track grinding operations,
- to fight fires along their tracks in order to prevent the rail ties from burning and to protect their property,
- to suppress fires inside tunnels,
- rescue passengers in burning tunnels, and
- to put out fires that threaten to burn their bridges, trestles, and snow sheds (wooden structures covering tracks in the mountains)
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They're big and it's how big behaves with smaller. It's never fair.
This vaccine spat between the EU and the UK is just a continuation of the Brexit refusals of both sides to give concessions. Both sides are as bad and this is going to continue for many years on all sorts of issues. Just watch how rocky the detailed trade negotiations are going to be.
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This is Switzerland, the system would freeze up in Winter, and the installation cost would be astronomic anyway. The fire train to deal with the odd rare incident is much cheaper.
The channel tunnel has no sprinkler system, even there they use fire fighting vehicles in the service tunnel for the occasional fire they suffer.
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I don't think either will happen, this is just a political spat that won't be allowed to get too serious. Hence Boris playing it down.
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Fire trains are for fires on the railway, not for areas of habitation !
And fires on trains are not unusual.
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Your evidence is incorrect
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The EU invested £297 Million pounds on the vaccinethe UK invested £65.5 Millions via the Vaccines Task Force
The EU has every right to feel hard done by, but then right wingers are easy to wind up and mouth off aren't they? they don't bother to check the facts
Temperature in some Swiss tunnels remains high throughout the year. I don't have specific details for all of them - of course, and some Swedish tunnels definitely freeze, but:
With regard to drainage, the constantly accumulating rock water is fed into a main drainage pipeline. From there, it drains to the surface where it is collected. At Erstfeld, the mean temperature of the rock water is only 13°C, so no cooling is necessary and the water can be drained directly into rivers. At Bodio, the rock water emerges with a mean temperature of 27°C and therefore flows first into cooling ponds or cooling towers. From there it flows by way of a 350 m long cooling canal into the Ticino river.
Also, many tunnels have parallel service tunnels which are not subject to the cooling effect of trains. Some Swedish service tunnels remain above zero even when the adjacent rail tunnel freezes. So shove the pipes down that! And add anti-freeze!
Given the astronomic cost of building the tunnel in the first place, the incremental cost of built-in fire fighting might not be that bad.
I can’t find anything to confirm your figures of £279 million directly into the AZ vaccine development. I suspect it’s incorrect. By size of nation, the U.K. is one of, if not the biggest investor in vaccine development. The AZ vaccine was invented here in the U.K.Your evidence is incorrect
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the UK invested £65.5 Millions via the Vaccines Task Force
The EU has every right to feel hard done by, but then right wingers are easy to wind up and mouth off aren't they? they don't bother to check the facts
The U.K. was months ahead of the EU ordering and paying for the AZ vaccine. They will remain behind the U.K. in delivery schedules. Germany wanted to break away and order earlier, but the EU threatened to prosecute them! No wonder they are pissed.
What is correct is the EU not even being at the stage of knowing if they want to use it!
Very true, but adding it to all existing tunnels could be prohibitive for such rare events.
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Certainly agree there. It could be effectively impossible.
And I am aware the conventional sprinklers might not be effective when trains are still running. So other approaches might be in order such as deluge points.
It just seems so very awkward using trains with all the signalling and routing issues they have. Even if you know there is a fire and have a fire train ready, you have to be quite sure there is no train coming the other way before you can lift a finger to start firefighting.
Fire balloons... Now there, s an interesting concept... Germany built one a few years ago..
Translation from the Welsh?
It was in Wales.
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Welsh has wagen and cerbyd (as in hacni cerbyd - hackney carriage).