Brexit, for once some facts.
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we live better but we still face the virus with our immune system in the same way.
To only say we live better is almost laughable and just not relevant to the facts of our comparative condition.
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Life expectancy was 47 for males and 50 females just before WW1. Now with EU membership etc . It is nearly double.
you seem to deny the fact that our body don't have better weapons against covid now than our ancestors against the 1918 flu.
Our own biological evolution is nowhere as fast as that of the corona viruses.
USA also now allowing longer gaps (though obviously not what they'd prefer):
Covid-19 Vaccine Doses May Be Spaced Six Weeks Apart, CDC Says
People may receive their follow-up doses of the Covid-19 vaccines as much as six weeks later if it’s not feasible to get them in the recommended interval, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.
The guidance posted in a Jan. 21 update to the CDC website said a second dose should be administered as close to the recommended schedule as possible, either three weeks for the Pfizer Inc.-BioNTech SE vaccine or four weeks for the Moderna Inc. shot.
But if it’s impossible to get the follow-up shot on time, the CDC says people may schedule it as much as six weeks, or 42 days, after their initial dose. There is “limited data on efficacy” of the vaccines beyond that interval, according to the guidance, but if the second dose is administered later “there is no need to restart the series.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-22/covid-19-vaccine-doses-may-be-spaced-six-weeks-apart-cdc-says?srnd=premium-europe
Covid-19 Vaccine Doses May Be Spaced Six Weeks Apart, CDC Says
People may receive their follow-up doses of the Covid-19 vaccines as much as six weeks later if it’s not feasible to get them in the recommended interval, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.
The guidance posted in a Jan. 21 update to the CDC website said a second dose should be administered as close to the recommended schedule as possible, either three weeks for the Pfizer Inc.-BioNTech SE vaccine or four weeks for the Moderna Inc. shot.
But if it’s impossible to get the follow-up shot on time, the CDC says people may schedule it as much as six weeks, or 42 days, after their initial dose. There is “limited data on efficacy” of the vaccines beyond that interval, according to the guidance, but if the second dose is administered later “there is no need to restart the series.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-22/covid-19-vaccine-doses-may-be-spaced-six-weeks-apart-cdc-says?srnd=premium-europe
I'm not denying anything of the sort and haven't brought evolution into it.
The condition of our immune system, our resistance to disease and our average age at death are directly related to our general health and fitness. The bulk of the population in 1918 didn't stand a chance against a pandemic. We are infinitely better placed to both resist the effects of any infection and to survive, and our modern living conditions make it far easier to avoid even catching the infection. Such as:
Driving alone for essentials cocooned in our own cars or on our other vehicles.
Running hot water everywhere to frequently wash our hands.
Today's hand sanitising fluids and advanced cleaning products.
HEPA filters.
Showering or bathing in our own water instead of sharing the bath water with the whole family as was once the norm.
Face masks.
Modern medical advice and treatment.
And much, much more.
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Patrick Valance at tonight's briefing said new variant could be slightly more "deadly" and that death rate for a 60 Yr old could be raised from 1% to 1.35%...but they hadn't seen an increase
in hospitals??? What's he basing it on then?
The delay proceedure was justified by PC and CW... Both still thought it best strategy but would be watching data from the vaccinated here and elsewhere..????
.. and of course there was systematic semi starvation over the preceding 4 years
when it comes to viruses, not much difference in time compared to bigger organisms.
virus evolution (SARS1 to SARS2) it's just a matter of 10 years. Virus mutations (Wuhan1 to Wuhan2) a few weeks, to our recent variant a few months.
Surely time is irrelevant, it's the number of reproductions and new hosts. The more infection there is, the more the chance of mutation. With zero infection over infinite time, little(no?) chance of mutation. With infinite infection in finite time infinite possibilities of mutation.
If you want to stop mutation... Stop infection.???
I did flag up this as a worrying possibility a number of months ago..and it is part of what makes me angry. We had this beat in June , and took our foot off the brake
Danidl objected to my use of the word 'evolution' in post #599170.
I think it's just a misunderstanding.
I reckon SARS1 evolved from the Spanish flu, SARS2 actually evolved from SARS1.
Danidl reckons it's just random mutations.
we still don't know the effect of temperature and sunlight on Covid19. It could well be that the virus has never left.
And it is much less active and symptoms much repressed in summer months while infection continues.
When wet and cold weather returns, covid becomes more active and symptoms stronger, prompting more people seeking tests.
Yep, I totally agree with that. Think we should have stayed in lockdown but wether country would have agreed I, m not so sure...
Surely it should be obvious to everyone that we need as a nation to invest billions of pounds in Research and development to continuously update our knowledge and defences against Pandemics of whatever nature are out there.
Relying on Big Pharmaceutical companies many of which have dubious histories of sharp practice is risky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements
Relying on Big Pharmaceutical companies many of which have dubious histories of sharp practice is risky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements
Doesn't reach me yet, but looks like sudden progress on vaccination here:
LETTERS will arrive in the coming days inviting 20,000 Carmarthenshire, Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire residents aged 75 to 79 years to receive their first coronavirus vaccine at a mass vaccination centre
When you attend your appointment, take with you:
Hywel Dda UHB is working to offer a vaccine to everyone in priority groups one to four by mid-February.
LETTERS will arrive in the coming days inviting 20,000 Carmarthenshire, Ceredigion and Pembrokeshire residents aged 75 to 79 years to receive their first coronavirus vaccine at a mass vaccination centre
When you attend your appointment, take with you:
- Your appointment letter
- Some ID such as your passport, driving license or utility bill in your name
- A face mask (if you don’t have one, you will be given one)
Hywel Dda UHB is working to offer a vaccine to everyone in priority groups one to four by mid-February.