Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

I was watching CNBC a few days ago and I think there were some schools in Florida where there had been Covid outbreaks that they had had to close. Several Universities which had gone back to conventional teaching have switched back to on line learning, again due to outbreaks.

I can't help but think about all those outbreaks that occurred in meat processing plants all around the world a few months ago. The conditions in those plants ie. No or very little sun light, areas with temperatures kept to between 4 and 6 degrees centigrade, very damp atmosphere. Those conditions sound very similar to a British winter to me, and the virus seems to really love those conditions.

So when our weather becomes more like a meat processing plant, when schools, colleges and universities are back in full swing, and when more people are back to work, traveling on buses, trains and the tube I am worried that we might be back to where we were a few months ago.

Don't worry, just look at the mismatch of your two paragraphs above:

Florida and its sunshine, meat plants without sunlight and at 4 to 6 degreees, but both with outbreaks. There really isn't any connection.

I'm content to just wait and see, surprises arise in two directions, and the schools have gone OTT with precautions. One I was listening to on the news has installed 300 extra sinks for kids to wash their hands in. With an average size school that's a sink for EVERY THREE KIDS, on top of all those they already had. Or put another way six extra sinks per class.

Barmy.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

Is Joe Biden in the land of the living? I’ve just seen him on the news. He looks and walks like an embalmed corpse. He should not be allowed out in public, he will frighten children and make them cry.

 

[flecc]

I’ve just heard about the 55 year (minimum term) prison sentence the brother of the pig who carried out the Manchester bombing has received. Now that’s a proper Misters sentence. Imagine sitting in your prison cell, right now, thinking about the next 55 years and knowing that it will be spent living with men who, given the slightest chance, will literally rip you apart. 55 years

I think it could be a big mistake.

These people are fanatics and the success of what they do is as much in the punishment they receive, including death. With this sentence the judge has just told Hashem Abedi that he and his brother did a brilliant terrorism job, very seriously hurting British society. That will no doubt please him no end.

If Abedi does get killed in prison or manages to commit suicide, his win will be even greater in like minds.

What is far more important to me is that these two are Manchester lads who set out to kill as many of their own young people in their own city as they could. What level of hatred had to be generated to make that possible and what experiences must they have experienced or received for them to be driven to such extreme action?

I see this in the same light as the USA classroom shootings by pupils who've grown to hate their classmates so much that only killing them seems enough to offset their hurt.

I suggest the forthcoming Inquiry needs to examine what parts were played by extremist Islam and their own life experiences growing up in creating such bitter hatred. I suspect the latter had a much bigger part to play than many might believe.
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[oldgroaner]

Why don’t they just give every child an A*? It would be a lot simpler, cause less tears and everyone could go to university to do a degree in films or going on holiday.

Rather like being Prime Minister, eh?

 

[oldgroaner]

The Brexit party raised almost £2 Million in the first quarter of 2020

The Farage theme song

That aint workin
Thats the way to do it
money for nuthin
and the twits pay me

 

[RossG]

Same in London and Northern Surrey, very large numbers treating distancing very casually as they've done throughout, as I've been doing myself to a fair extent.
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Have to say I'm more than happy to be living right where I am on the Hampshire coast. Everyone practices social distancing because you are expected to, almost everyone wears masks in stores including children amazingly and it all works really well. Best of all infection rate .2 % one of the lowest in the country no big hits here, not even small ones.

 

[Nev]

He reported that rates are increasing fairly quickly in both France and Germany and several other European countries.

Looks like we are one of those other European countries.

Lockdown fears for Birmingham amid sharp rise in UK coronavirus cases

City sees ‘extremely concerning’ rise to 30 cases per 100,000 as positive tests in Britain hit highest level since mid-June

www.theguardian.com

 

[flecc]

Looks like we are one of those other European countries.

Lockdown fears for Birmingham amid sharp rise in UK coronavirus cases

City sees ‘extremely concerning’ rise to 30 cases per 100,000 as positive tests in Britain hit highest level since mid-June

www.theguardian.com

But not in London, we stil lhave our bonus from the early big hit we suffered.

The only place we've had a rise is Hillingdon borough, hardly surprising since that's where Heathrow's staff come from and they've continued to fly in people from all over.
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[flecc]

Have to say I'm more than happy to be living right where I am on the Hampshire coast. Everyone practices social distancing because you are expected to, almost everyone wears masks in stores including children amazingly and it all works really well. Best of all infection rate .2 % one of the lowest in the country no big hits here, not even small ones.

I've been watching the Crime and Punishment series based around your Southampton Central Police Station and it doen't look so marvellous. You may have social distancing but you sure aren't doing so well on crime.

I'll stay in my manor with low infection rate and low crime.
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[oyster]

As if on cue - as part of our current Covid-19 infectiousness discussion:

August 18, 2020

Immune cells for common cold may recognize SARS-CoV-2
At a Glance

• A study of blood samples taken before the COVID-19 pandemic showed that some people already had certain immune cells that recognize SARS-CoV-2.
• These immune cells also reacted with coronaviruses that cause common colds.
• The findings suggest that existing immune cells may help account for the wide range of symptoms experienced by people with COVID-19.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/immune-cells-common-cold-may-recognize-sars-cov-2

I know this has been mooted before, so not wholly new.

 

[RossG]

I've been watching the Crime and Punishment series based around your Southampton Central Police Station and it doen't look so marvellous. You may have social distancing but you sure aren't doing so well on crime.

I'll stay in my manor with low infection rate and low crime.
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Luckily I don't live anywhere near Southampton flecc so I wouldn't have any idea what goes on there, I use fake ip address & Geo-Location information because where I am is my own business and not for others to know.
That does cause me problems admittedly as does having two home addresses but there you go, my choice.

As for covid & London .. it got hit hard because people there hit themselves hard I'm afraid, they saw & heard the what was going on around the country and ignored it. Those images of Londoners crammed onto tube trains, romping around in parks and shopping in markets went all around the world, I watch a lot of international TV news I saw it with my own eyes. The infection rate there dropped after they got their ears boxed, the term is "wake up & smell the coffee" London is what it is as Trump would say, all money - business - commerce - foreigners etc, I know it well I lived there for years (Lewisham) bloody slum. I still recall kids roller skating down Tanners hill.

Where I live (actually east of Portsmouth not west) people care about infecting each other that's why they all wear masks and why we all should .. it wont stop you getting it, but helps to prevent giving it to others.
It's surprising just how many fail to grasp that fact, eventually they will

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Luckily I don't live anywhere near Southampton flecc so I wouldn't have any idea what goes on there, I use fake ip address & Geo-Location information because where I am is my own business and not for others to know.
That does cause me problems admittedly as does having two home addresses but there you go, my choice.

As for covid & London .. it got hit hard because people there hit themselves hard I'm afraid, they saw & heard the what was going on around the country and ignored it. Those images of Londoners crammed onto tube trains, romping around in parks and shopping in markets went all around the world, I watch a lot of international TV news I saw it with my own eyes. The infection rate there dropped after they got their ears boxed, the term is "wake up & smell the coffee" London is what it is as Trump would say, all money - business - commerce - foreigners etc, I know it well I lived there for years (Lewisham) bloody slum. I still recall kids roller skating down Tanners hill.

Where I live (actually east of Portsmouth not west) people care about infecting each other that's why they all wear masks and why we all should .. it wont stop you getting it, but helps to prevent giving it to others.
It's surprising just how many fail to grasp that fact, eventually they will

I agree with some of what you say. But before covid (and an ev) I had an eye opener. Had to take the first tube into london (520am). Each time it was crammed with cold exhausted sleep deprived builders plastered cleaners plumbers. The blue collar servants/slaves that actually keep london going who cannot live in areas where small studios go for well over half a million. Key workers who no doubt exposed themselves to risk later with covid out of desperation, need not greed. But who are probably also plotting their escape from london, like many others.

 

[Woosh]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/immune-cells-common-cold-may-recognize-sars-cov-2

I know this has been mooted before, so not wholly new.

agreed. They started work on an already well established idea.

“Having a strong T cell response, or a better T cell response may give you the opportunity to mount a much quicker and stronger response.”

still useful work in helping with developing new vaccines.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

What’s going on at The Daily Mail? They are grooming their readers to turn against Boris Johnson. I can’t believe they have suddenly found a sense of balance and honesty. Johnson clearly isn’t providing a satisfactory return on their investment, so who do they think will?

 

[Nev]

Here is a roundup of what's happening re the virus around Europe, numbers are still relatively low but are increasing every where.

France: Virus cases spike to 4,700 in a day

Spain, Germany and Italy are also seeing their highest daily case numbers for months.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[oyster]

I was watching CNBC a few days ago and I think there were some schools in Florida where there had been Covid outbreaks that they had had to close. Several Universities which had gone back to conventional teaching have switched back to on line learning, again due to outbreaks.

I can't help but think about all those outbreaks that occurred in meat processing plants all around the world a few months ago. The conditions in those plants ie. No or very little sun light, areas with temperatures kept to between 4 and 6 degrees centigrade, very damp atmosphere. Those conditions sound very similar to a British winter to me, and the virus seems to really love those conditions.

So when our weather becomes more like a meat processing plant, when schools, colleges and universities are back in full swing, and when more people are back to work, traveling on buses, trains and the tube I am worried that we might be back to where we were a few months ago.

On the plus side we know a lot more about the virus now than we did, and we seem to have treatments that provide some benefit. I think though we desperately need a vaccine otherwise I don't see how we get out of this mess we find ourselves in.

I was just listening to LBC, they did a one hour programme on the virus between 4 and 5 with a Doctor (who was very good) answering questions. He reported that rates are increasing fairly quickly in both France and Germany and several other European countries. If this is happening at the height of summer what is going to happen in winter?

Although we are getting a lot of wind right now, it does tend to be windier over winter. Which might be a positive!

And, what is the effect of rain? Does it wash it out of the air? Does it even effectively disinfect the air?

The food factories aspect should be helping in our understanding. (Not just meat, though that has been the most common.) Ironic that an industry which already used masks more than most should have seen so many outbreaks.

We don't really understand why "winter flu" fades away. Yes, there are some obvious factors - the more who have had it, the fewer left to infect (more or less herd immunity) - but it seems to disappear with lots of candidates still available.

 

[oyster]

What’s going on at The Daily Mail? They are grooming their readers to turn against Boris Johnson. I can’t believe they have suddenly found a sense of balance and honesty. Johnson clearly isn’t providing a satisfactory return on their investment, so who do they think will?

Don't misread it as anything like as positive as you suggest.

They have long published some quite good health pieces. Sometimes, even very good. And the next day you see Goop or other rubbish being pushed even harder and ever more ludicrously.

The aim seems to be to publish pieces which cover the spectrum so that everyone finds something of interest, that they agree with, whatever. Even if the other 95% is repugnant. Perhaps they assume people only read the bits with which they have sympathy/agree?

 

[Woosh]

So when our weather becomes more like a meat processing plant, when schools, colleges and universities are back in full swing, and when more people are back to work, traveling on buses, trains and the tube I am worried that we might be back to where we were a few months ago

it seems to me that if you can hold the virus in your throat and not let the virus get lower for a week, your body can fight it off.
The number of new cases goes steadily back to those seen last spring but the number of daily deaths is still below 100. That should be sustainable in long term.

 

[flecc]

As for covid & London .. it got hit hard because people there hit themselves hard I'm afraid, they saw & heard the what was going on around the country and ignored it. Those images of Londoners crammed onto tube trains, romping around in parks and shopping in markets went all around the world, I watch a lot of international TV news I saw it with my own eyes. The infection rate there dropped after they got their ears boxed,

I don't know why you think you are telling me that, I told all of you the same at the outset months ago, but obviously your memory is failing you. Anyway, little that many Londoners could do in their living and working circumstances could have made much difference, huge overcrowded cities will always be condemned to suffer much more than elsewhere in any pandemic.

Your trying to say the infection rate fell after we woke up and acted is bullshit. It fell far earlier than anywhere else due to getting the very early double size hit, get it early or get it later. As I'd just posted but you ignored, Londoners are still treating social distancing in a cavalier fashion, and not just Londoners. Miles beyond in Surrey it's still no different now.
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[flecc]

it seems to me that if you can hold the virus in your throat and not let the virus get lower for a week, your body can fight it off.
The number of new cases goes steadily back to those seen last spring but the number of daily deaths is still below 100. That should be sustainable in long term.

Which supports the line I've been taking, that exposure isn't necessarily a bad thing over time, reducing the later effect. I'm sure London has benefitted in the end from the early very big hit it took.
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