Brexit, for once some facts.

RossG

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In the last election, it was a case of choosing which pale of shite you would rather dunk your head in. There wasn't really any choice, everything on offer was appalling.
I remember many years ago Harold Wilson saying you might as well vote for Labour as they were " the lesser of the two evils " he got in a load of trouble for saying that.

Grant Shatts is on .. pay attention now.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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I’ve just been to meet a new tenant, a Polish lady working for a local technology company. She is working on a bleeper device which goes off if you come into close proximity of another bleeper wearer. The proximity can be programmed into the device together with a duration. So, if you are 1.9 m from the other person, you get quite a long time before the bleeper activates, but if you get within 0.5 metres the bleeper will go off very quickly. They are looking to sell them into workplace environments.

A great idea I thought, I’m sure other companies are working on such a device too. I liked the idea that proximity / duration is programmable to take account of changing advice / rules.
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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But you still scored a collossal own goal
I really don’t think there was any real choice.

If Jeremy Corbyn had won the last election, what do you think Labour would have done differently? From listening to Labour MPs during interviews, they seem similarly incompetent to the current crop of imbeciles who are in charge.

I don’t think it’s possible to say everything would have been better under Corbyn. He was useless as an opposition to the government, and that’s not from the newspapers, you could witness it first hand at PMQs, and he would have been a useless leader, just like Johnson.
 

jonathan.agnew

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In the last election, it was a case of choosing which pale of shite you would rather dunk your head in. There wasn't really any choice, everything on offer was appalling.
That neatly sidestep the fact that you placed that pail of **** (boris) on that very public pedestal by voting for brexit. Before dunking your head in it with covid. And you're in for another dunking with the eu negotiations. And I very much doubt that that will be the last dunking.
 
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Nev

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Does anyone have an interest in Economics? It's not my background but I have just started reading a book by Stephanie Kelton titled 'The Deficit Myth' and I am finding it very interesting.

She was talking recently on a Radio 5 afternoon show with Nihal Arthanayake, and seemed to have some good ideas when it comes to getting economies out of the mess they are currently in. She is one of the leading proponents of MMT (Modern Monetary Theory), I don't know enough about this to know if it is feasible or not but it's certainly thought provoking.
 

jonathan.agnew

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I’ve just been to meet a new tenant, a Polish lady working for a local technology company. She is working on a bleeper device which goes off if you come into close proximity of another bleeper wearer. The proximity can be programmed into the device together with a duration. So, if you are 1.9 m from the other person, you get quite a long time before the bleeper activates, but if you get within 0.5 metres the bleeper will go off very quickly. They are looking to sell them into workplace environments.

A great idea I thought, I’m sure other companies are working on such a device too. I liked the idea that proximity / duration is programmable to take account of changing advice / rules.
I'm doing some locum work in the nhs. Ran a group today, saw part of a crisis team (not entirely bit too close for comfort) huddle together in front of a laptop. Felt guilty for not saying anything about social distancing. But there is an odd phenomenon happening at the moment. It's not burnout or apathy or lack of knowledge that make otherwise skilled clinicians disregard social distancing, or find the latest directive to all nhs staff to wear masks regardless of patient contact absurd. It's something else, not unrelated I think to being in a country in which the crisis is being so badly mismanaged and covered up and it feels very late to bolt the horse
 

RossG

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You see the same sort of thing in retail stores, you join a queue to go in everyone 2 mtrs apart as indicated on the ground. You reach for a trolley and someone sanitizes it for you and in you walk, into a large store which is only partly filled to help with social distancing.
It all works quite well strangely enough, but then you notice the staff .. no face masks or protective gloves huddled in small groups of three or four talking about the last time they went out clubbing, almost four months ago wasn't it Tracy .. yeah must be.
No social distancing for them, they're all one big family all in it together, you can't catch covid off your best friend can you ?
 

soundwave

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my step dad has had two ops to drain abscesses in the last 3 months been tested and not had a result sent back and 2nd time did not bother to test him at all.

my mum has chronic copd yet goes out every day like nothing has changed why is she not dead!

it is all bs from the government they cant even control the lies let alone a REAL virus that would kill millions.
 

soundwave

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The way you whizz around sw covid will never move fast enough to catch you :)
yet my bike is not road legal and have you tube vids to prove this yet nothing happens because the police need the cps to approve a criminal case as we are policed buy consent.

if i need to use a face covering on a bus can they prove this in a court of law good luck with that pmsl.
 

daveboy

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The man is an utter ******* ! I'm going out tonight with a pot of black paint, find a wall that belongs to someone else and paint on it a social statement ... can't wait.
I'll tell all the guys on here how it went the next day when the authorities have charged me with criminal damage.
Does this idiot have permission to make a mess on the wall when it suits him for his own gratification, if so he has my apologies ... and sympathy. :rolleyes:
He doesn't have permission to stick bundles of £50 notes on a wall either but the effect is the same....the wall is now worth millions.
 

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Another Brexit Bonus eh? according to the Telegraph "Boris Johnson scrapped Cabinet pandemic committee six months before coronavirus hit UK" and why? to concentrate on Brexit and protect offshore banking Tax swindles

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Another Brexit Bonus eh? according to the Telegraph "Boris Johnson scrapped Cabinet pandemic committee six months before coronavirus hit UK" and why? to concentrate on Brexit and protect offshore banking Tax swindles
 
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Barry Shittpeas

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I'm doing some locum work in the nhs. Ran a group today, saw part of a crisis team (not entirely bit too close for comfort) huddle together in front of a laptop. Felt guilty for not saying anything about social distancing. But there is an odd phenomenon happening at the moment. It's not burnout or apathy or lack of knowledge that make otherwise skilled clinicians disregard social distancing, or find the latest directive to all nhs staff to wear masks regardless of patient contact absurd. It's something else, not unrelated I think to being in a country in which the crisis is being so badly mismanaged and covered up and it feels very late to bolt the horse
I think it’s due to the government:

1) Issuing advice and statements that are reversed a short time later (masks for example).
2) Giving advice that they ignore themselves (Boris Johnson telling us to wash our hands and to social distance, then nearly killing himself by getting too close to and shaking hands with people known to have Coronavirus, for example).
3) Launching schemes to protect us (The five Alert levels for example) and then abandoning them without explanation.
4) Presenting everything as a victory against Coronavirus.
5) Constantly and unnecessarily overpromising, and without exception, underdelivering ( track & trace + the app for example)
6) Not being transparent and appearing to be untrustworthy (removal of international death comparison charts).
7) Removal of people from the daily briefings if they speak their mind. (JVT & The Head Nurse).
8) Absence of the Prime Minister (requires no example).
9) Implementing the wrong measures at the wrong time (lockdown & travel quarantine for example).
10) Random chaotic and unplanned easing off lockdown measures (no consultation with TFL or Highways or Public Transport bodies when it was announced people could return to work. They heard about it on the news. Then the start date change three times in as many days, for example).

There is my top ten. I suppose that lot boils down to no leadership whatsoever and incompetence, the level of which I had previously considered impossible to achieve.

When there is no leadership and those who have responsibility to lead start shouting and flailing their arms around, or simply disappear, then people lose interest, become numb to the situation and start doing their own thing. That’s what’s happening, you see it everywhere.
 

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