you can't really remove crimes and punishments from humans.
If society becomes more virtuous, law and order will simply move the goalpost - did I read somewhere that you could be transported to Australia for stealing some food?
Brexit, for once some facts.
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If society becomes more virtuous, law and order will simply move the goalpost - did I read somewhere that you could be transported to Australia for stealing some food?
Nobody deserves to die in that manner - leave alone for a $20 bank note.
Why do you want to explain what the cops did? they will have their day in Court then we'll know how the US deals with excessive brutality.
Absolutely right we've always created a scale of crimes and punishments. Transport to Australia was far from the worst, we used to hang eight year olds for stealing any minor item, even an item of food to stay alive and many children were transported.
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The problem is that any of us can be guilty of passing a forged bank note, they've always been in circulation, so George Floyd could conceivably have been innocent on this occasion.
Fortunately our new plastic notes have greatly reduced the risk of encountering forged bank notes now.
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We've all been naughty. I'm rather happy to live in a country in which I don't get stopped by a rabid xenophobe with personality issues and a 357 magnum for doing 90 on the motorway.
Yes, I agree, we need the full story to come out in court with the full circumstances. Then and only then can it be decided if the cops actions were excessive and the appropriate sentence passed once that is known.
Less of the been! I'm always naughty, it's why I've lived so long.
The good die young.
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We can, you are absolutely right, and if I did, I would cooperate fully with the police. I wouldn’t find it necessary to offer violence.
Probably in your case. However, due to lifelong experience of ever present underlying racism, black people there and here tend to be volatile when accused of anything, especially when they are innocent, as George could have been this time.
The thing indicative of that possibility this time is that he offered a $20 note for a packet of cigarettes. Most criminal passing of forged bank notes is to launder, such as buying a dollar item to get 19 of legitimate money.
But cigarettes in the USA are expensive, typically 6 to 8 dollars for cheaper ones and almost 13 dollars for the dearest. So buying a pack with a $20 note isn't too efficient at laundering.
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It’s now being reported that Alok Sharma met with The Chancellor the day before his symptoms presented. If it’s CV he’s likely to have taken him out with it too. This clown show just gets more entertaining.
What would concern me if I were a citizen of the US is the way that their authorities approach the task of keeping law & order. I've been watching the US news channel CNN late at night the last few days as it's been showing everything kicking off live from all over the USA.
I found it quite disturbing the way some Police Officers handle demonstrators, for example I saw live a cop push a young bloke causing aggro to the ground but instead of putting a tie on him, he stamped on his head !
Another piece of live footage showed a young girl who had ended up on the floor being yanked to her feet by her hair ! Now when I see that sort of behaviour I'm reminded of Nazi Germany where people who were regarded as rats were dragged along the street by their hair and stamped on.
I can only assume that the authorities keeping law and order in America regard their own as rats, what a strange society to live in.
I found it quite disturbing the way some Police Officers handle demonstrators, for example I saw live a cop push a young bloke causing aggro to the ground but instead of putting a tie on him, he stamped on his head !
Another piece of live footage showed a young girl who had ended up on the floor being yanked to her feet by her hair ! Now when I see that sort of behaviour I'm reminded of Nazi Germany where people who were regarded as rats were dragged along the street by their hair and stamped on.
I can only assume that the authorities keeping law and order in America regard their own as rats, what a strange society to live in.
Murdering someone is excessive, no ifs, not buts
I've been to the US 8 times.
my impression of American cops is they are excessively polite.
But then they could see that I am a tourist...
Can anyone see the police officer either getting off with this or a very light sentence, I can. He is going to get some of the best lawyers money can buy. He wont be paying for them, either wealthy ultra right individuals or organizations will fund his case.
I am not a lawyer but even I can think of one possible line of defense for his actions. All he has to say was that Floyd claimed he had Covid and was trying to spit at the officers. He could then say by keeping his knee on Floyds neck was necessary in order to avoid being spat on by someone who may be carrying the virus. If the other three officers all agree with this which I imagine they would do then it might be a way of getting off.
24-hour test turnaround. Getting close, I think. Should be embarrassing.:
No 10 does not rule out PM having to self-isolate if Alok Sharma tests positive for Covid-19
The Downing Street lobby briefing has finished. Here are the main points.
No 10 does not rule out PM having to self-isolate if Alok Sharma tests positive for Covid-19
The Downing Street lobby briefing has finished. Here are the main points.
- Alok Sharma, the business secretary, has not yet received the results of his coronavirus test, the PM’s spokesman said. Sharma was tested after falling ill while delivering a speech to MPs from the dispatch box in the Commons yesterday. The spokesman said that, if Sharma did test positive, he would work with the government’s new test and trace system.
If you hunt around there's lots of video footage taken from all angles of the whole sorry affair, It's because there's so much of it the prosecution can now go ahead. I imagine there will be dozens of witnesses who saw it all unfold both white and non-white and it's already been said it will take months to come to trial.
God help the US if they're found not guilty.
So much for promises
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html
The government is set to open British markets to food produced to lower US welfare standards as part of its planned trade deal with Donald Trump.
Downing Street on Thursday refused to stand by an earlier pledge to keep so-called "chlorinated chicken" off UK shelves, in the first sign of the government folding under pressure from American trade negotiators.
Ministers are reportedly considering letting in products like chlorinated chicken and hormone fed beef into British supermarkets, but applying tariffs to them to protect UK-based farmers from competition.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html
The government is set to open British markets to food produced to lower US welfare standards as part of its planned trade deal with Donald Trump.
Downing Street on Thursday refused to stand by an earlier pledge to keep so-called "chlorinated chicken" off UK shelves, in the first sign of the government folding under pressure from American trade negotiators.
Ministers are reportedly considering letting in products like chlorinated chicken and hormone fed beef into British supermarkets, but applying tariffs to them to protect UK-based farmers from competition.