Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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Well flecc, you made the usual idiot laugh
Yes, Tommie thought my post funny, probably because I suggested his beloved Brexit could fail.

Well, we are having a practice run for Brexit, seeing how effectively we deal alone with Covid-19.

Just look at how good our future Brexit competition are with that, Germany, South Korea, China et al, compared with our total cock-up.

Not very promising is it Tommie?
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I was thinking earlier on about the trip out I made yesterday in my car, the first outside in the streets for several weeks. I could see some people were wearing masks probably around 20% at a guess but it was noticeable almost all of those covered were of Asian extract, whether Chinese or not who knows but certainly that part of the world.

We have quite a lot of Chinese people here in town students, wealthy store/takeaway owners etc. it's a fairly cosmopolitan place. But to see all Chinese people masked up and in one instance two young people with face protection screens fitted, never seen that before, I couldn't help wondering as we are hearing of a rise in anti Asian feeling relating to the virus outbreak maybe covering up is a way of hiding yourself away ? just a thought
 

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It's dangerously irresponsible for the Government to be briefing the press about easing the lockdown just before a Bank Holiday weekend.
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Classic Dom! get the papers to fire up the public to expect freedom, then have Boris do a very low key rowing back, and you get the effect he desired. The public get blamed, Boris escapes responsibility and everyone back to work to die in droves to turn a profit. Goebbels lives!
 
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A wonderful example of the governement doing what they claimed they were doing. Levelling with us. (More than once they claimed this!)

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On the other hand, maybe not.
Well if you were in government and the Scientific advice to the public was

"Bend over and kiss your arse goodbye"

You could perhaps feel justified to get out the indelible black marker pen :cool:
 
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I could see some people were wearing masks probably around 20% at a guess
Went food shopping - more masks than previously but still very low. One till person (our of about five). One shelf stacker (out of about six). At least five customers - not including us (two). Probably about 20%.

I stayed outside at another shop. Sat in car with window open. A car pulled up next bay to mine, maybe two feet between vehicles. His window open. Driver's door to driver's door. No consideration that he was well within two metres. I happened still to have my mask on.

His wife remained in front passenger seat. Using her mobile phone with blue nitrile gloves on.
 

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We have quite a lot of Chinese people here in town students, wealthy store/takeaway owners etc. it's a fairly cosmopolitan place. But to see all Chinese people masked up and in one instance two young people with face protection screens fitted, never seen that before, I couldn't help wondering as we are hearing of a rise in anti Asian feeling relating to the virus outbreak maybe covering up is a way of hiding yourself away ? just a thought
I was struck yesterday when the head man from ONS released his report on Covid19 deaths among BAME.

Black: 4.2-4.3 x
Bangladeshi, Pakistani: 3.4-3.6x
Indian: 2.4x
Chinese: 1.2-1.9x
Mixed race: 1.6-1.8x

Among BAME, Chinese do best.
 
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It happened once before when the estabishment took us into WW2 with the huge misery and loss that caused. With the war ended the public then turned on the estabishment with fury and voted in Clement Attlee's 1945 Labour government which created our modern welfare state.

It can happen again.
Attlee held on to power for 6 years but the situation is not identical though.
Attlee could not print money like a modern UK government can and the rich people were less powerful then.
 

RossG

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Went food shopping - more masks than previously but still very low. One till person (our of about five). One shelf stacker (out of about six). At least five customers - not including us (two). Probably about 20%.

I stayed outside at another shop. Sat in car with window open. A car pulled up next bay to mine, maybe two feet between vehicles. His window open. Driver's door to driver's door. No consideration that he was well within two metres. I happened still to have my mask on.

His wife remained in front passenger seat. Using her mobile phone with blue nitrile gloves on.
It reminds of that old line " Hello mate..alright? ---- I'm alright mate it's everybody else "
 
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Attlee held on to power for 6 years but the situation is not identical though.
Attlee could not print money like a modern UK government can and the rich people were less powerful then.
And the poor better organised too, until they succumbed to property ownership and their loyalty being owned by a building society or other lender
They were accustomed to living in fear, and hardship, but not greed in addition to it, and the notion they had something to conserve that they were willing to sell their souls to maintain.
And of course the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow once the mortgage was repaid, and there was money for nothing from rising house prices.
Plus additional diversions of pretty toys, mass media manipulation of their attitudes and fashions to stop them thinking.

Which is why we continue in the endless cycle of Conservative governments
This time things are becoming unravelled by inconvenient reality
 
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flecc

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Attlee held on to power for 6 years but the situation is not identical though.
Attlee could not print money like a modern UK government can and the rich people were less powerful then.
But those cannot stop the people's anger if it all goes wrong, it's no concern of theirs if a government can or cannot raise money. Voters act on feelings as the Brexit vote showed.

And the power of the rich can be rendered meaningless when a democratic people vote on feelings. The rich were at their most powerful before WW2, going back centuries. But that didn't stop Labour getting into government in 1924 and 1929, then again in 1945, 1964, 1974 plus the pseudo labour governments of Tony Blair from 2001.
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Here are your VE Day stats:

So far, Boris Johnson has created a pile of bodies big enough to fill 12.4 Olympic Sized swimming pools (assuming the average person has a volume of 62Kg. Swimming
Pool 50 x 25 x 2 metres). Or big enough to fill 694 London double decker busses (Routemaster all seated, no standing). And still they cheer for him.

Happy VE Day. Let’s celebrate and look in the opposite direction.
That is the most ridiculous post I have ever read.
 

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US rows back on 'virus lab release' theory

The origins of the coronavirus are a topic of ongoing controversy in US politics. Intelligence officials are investigating whether the virus was accidentally created in a lab called WIV in Wuhan, China where the outbreak began.

President Donald Trump and others close to him have said they have seen evidence that coronavirus did in fact come from this lab. China denies this, and there is currently no evidence supporting the conspiracies.

On Wednesday Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said there was "significant" evidence supporting the lab theory - a step back from a statement on Sunday that there was "enormous evidence".

Now he has said in a radio interview that the US has "seen evidence that it came from the lab. That may not be the case."
 

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That is the most ridiculous post I have ever read.
Maybe it is, but:

1) When the scale of this pandemic was unfolding and warnings were coming in from Italy, Boris Johnson went on holiday for two week, missing 5 vital COBRA meetings which you could argue were critical at that stage.

2) Boris Johnson advocated us “taking Coronavirus on the chin” with the herd immunity idea, which essentially amounts to letting it rip through the population in an uncontrolled manner killing the weakest and most vulnerable. Again, this badly thought out policy squandered more valuable time, time countries like Germany used to get testing, tracing and isolating up and running.

3) Boris Johnson demonstrated very clearly that he hadn’t bothered to educate himself about the deadlines of this disease or just how contagious it is. This ignorance must have found it’s way into his initial plans and weakened them. He was so ignorant of the facts that he actively boasted about shaking hands with Coronavirus patients. A sort of Princess Diana AIDS moment. This resulted in him very nearly killing himself, the Chief Medical Officer and his Health Secretary. This resulted in him again being absent at a highly critical stage and leaving the country with no named leader.

4) Boris Johnson was warned about the looming crisis in care homes as early as February, this was playing out in other countries and even we mentioned it here. Boris Johnson did absolutely nothing except try his best to put the care home deaths out of public view.

5) In 2009 a WHO audit found the the U.K. was well prepared to handle a pandemic in terms of hospital capacity and stocks of PPE. From 2010 when the Tories came to power, they reduced that capacity and ran down PPE stocks to save money. Not all Boris Johnson’s fault, but again, he was either missing or did nothing with the time advantage he had over Italy.

Boris Johnson has a track record of going AWOL when the smelly stuff hits, treating everything like a joke or just ignoring warnings, particularly if they have a Made in the EU label attached. Even on Sunday when he announces the new lockdown measure, he is doing it by way of an address, not a briefing. This is no accident, it is done this way so that he won’t have to face questions or scrutiny as they do at briefings.

Boris Johnson may not have filled all of those Olympic sized swimming pools with bodies, but that’s how many we could fill with our death toll. That is the worst track record in Europe and a some of those 12, and climbing, pools full of bodies have been filled by Boris Johnson’s stupidity, recklessness, refusal to face responsibility, absenteeism and incompetence.

Anyway, don’t look at the pile of 50000 dead bodies over there in the corner, watch the jets, it’s VE Day.
 
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The general view that's supported by most is that it came from a Pangolin.
I give that theory another 3 months, it will eventually disappear.
 

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