Brexit, for once some facts.

[Barry Shittpeas]

In reference to the N Farage story of a day ago.. seems I was correct , and the Police did issue a caution.

“, police officers later visited his home to “advise” him about the current Coronavirus restrictions in place.”

That is not a Police Caution. A Police Caution is an alternative to prosecution and can be used in certain circumstances if the offence is admitted. A criminal record is created and it goes on the offenders record for a number of years. It’s to save court time, but still is technically a recorded offence which can be used in future decision making when faced with potential prosecution.

Farage was visited by the police and reminded of the lockdown rules following a complaint from a single member of the public. That is a long way from a Police Caution or even evidence any offence being disclosed.

I am afraid that you are still wrong.

 

[oldgroaner]

Is Coronavirus A Plandemic? Exposing The Truth Behind America's COVID-19 Strategy - Dr. Judy Mikovits

Judy Mikovits is an American activist. Mikovits has gained media attention for promoting her ideas about the 2020 coronavirus pandemic.

londonreal.tv

Too much cider?

 

[Woosh]

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/05/they-do-not-struggle-to-breathe-but-coronavirus-starves-them-of-oxygen-cvd/

Interesting read on lung function with covid-19

that explains a lot why CV affects people so differently.
I am thinking of getting a pulse oximeter this aternoon.

 

[oldgroaner]

“, police officers later visited his home to “advise” him about the current Coronavirus restrictions in place.”

That is not a Police Caution. A Police Caution is an alternative to prosecution and can be used in certain circumstances if the offence is admitted and goes on the offenders record.

Farage was visited by the police and reminded of the lockdown rules following a complaint from a single member of the public. That is a long way from a caution or even any offence being disclosed.

I am afraid that you are still wrong.

Actually Farage is doing exactly what the Government wants him to do, either intentionally or more likely, through his own stupidity.

By not insisting he be prosecuted it sends the message they desire.
Regardless of the restrictions we keep in place, we want you to follow the example of the following people

Boris who went off to shack up with his girlfriend
Farage and his seaside holidays
And now Stanley Johnson

So on the one hand Boris wants to sound cautious to avoid any blame for the spate in additional deaths.
But he wants the public to be "nudged" by these examples, break the lockdown and get to work for the start up of the national profit making machine, and to hell with the death count, which can be portrayed
as "The Will of the people"

 

[oyster]

Actually I did read the rules at the time and fast food outlets and take aways were excluded from the shutdown. One of the reasons being that essential services workers were relying on them. A Pizza after a 12 hour shift in AE . A bite of sandwich roll for the long distance lorry driver. Obviously McDonald's never read the memo!
Two of my offspring are in essential service jobs and both canteens have been closed.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/05/they-do-not-struggle-to-breathe-but-coronavirus-starves-them-of-oxygen-cvd/

Interesting read on lung function with covid-19

Guardian had a Happy Hypoxia article the other day:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/03/happy-hypoxia-unusual-coronavirus-effect-baffles-doctors

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Telegraph
Like any war, Covid-19 is a dream for socialists. Boris has to lead us to safety

• CHARLES MOORE

The only place Boris can lead us to is a Mortuary

 

[oyster]

Actually I did read the rules at the time and fast food outlets and take aways were excluded from the shutdown. One of the reasons being that essential services workers were relying on them. A Pizza after a 12 hour shift in AE . A bite of sandwich roll for the long distance lorry driver. Obviously McDonald's never read the memo!
Two of my offspring are in essential service jobs and both canteens have been closed.

Takeways as in places for passing workers to grab a bite, no problem.

But a lot of them are set up expressly to attract people to jump into their cars and drive. The nearest McD is a drive through. I would be amazed if there were enough sales to make it worth opening for the odd lorry driver, paramedic, or whatever other essential service workers there are.

And I repeat, if it was such a bad idea for them to close, why did the government not speak up some time ago?

They are trying to pass off the responsibility entirely to the companies.

 

[oyster]

In the Telegraph
Like any war, Covid-19 is a dream for socialists. Boris has to lead us to safety

• CHARLES MOORE

The only place Boris can lead us to is a Mortuary

The current crisis is not a war.

It is at heart a false analogy. Used to repeat anti-socialist beliefs.

Total war is good for socialism. Its demands seem to overwhelm all normal considerations of liberty, privacy, property and diversity. It provides a seductive, but false model for the ensuing peace: let us all work together, all do what we’re told. Let the heroes beat their swords into ploughshares and distribute the resulting harvest to all.

Total war does actually overwhelm normal considerations - not just seem to. Things like expecting people to risk their lives (pretty much to the point of suicide at times), and, if they happen to survive, expecting some sort of medical treatment that isn't limited by (personal) wealth. And the ploughshares bit is the expectation that those that have the wealth will be carry on having that wealth - no change, status quo.

 

[oyster]

Telegraph also has this:

Coronavirus quarantine: All UK arrivals 'will have to self-isolate for 14 days'

Travellers will be required to fill in a digital form and declare the address where they will be staying with hefty fines for breaches

All visitors to Britain will be ordered to isolate for 14 days in a bid to prevent a second wave of coronavirus, Boris Johnson is set to announce on Sunday.

Travellers arriving in the UK will be required to fill in a digital form and declare an address where they will then be expected to self-isolate for 14 days, as revealed by The Telegraph.

Visitors could face fines of up to £1,000 and even deportation if spot checks later find they have flouted the rules, which the report claimed could be introduce in June.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/09/uk-arrivals-will-have-self-isolate-14-days/

Further openness and levelling with the public, this was a briefing. Not a public statement.

Six occurrences of "will" - followed by the undermining use of "could". That gives us confidence.

If it is such a good idea (and I am broadly in agreement with the measure):
Why was it not done months ago?
Why do we have to wait until June?
A fine of £1000 is inadequate. It needs to be vastly more significant to the wealthy. Like at least the possibility of being taken directly to a magistrates court and detained. And a fine proportionate to their assets.

Also in Guardian:

The idea of a quarantine has been mooted for some time, and transport secretary Grant Shapps has hinted at such a measure once the infection rate within the country is under control so the government is sure that the illness is not being imported.
.
.
However, questions will be raised as to why this measure was not introduced sooner, and what the scientific reasoning is for it to be introduced at this point in the government’s response. Other countries, including Australia and New Zealand, ordered 14-day isolation periods for visitors as early as March.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/09/two-week-coronavirus-quarantine-to-be-announced-for-uk-arrivals

Clearly, if a satisfactory test for infectiousness were available, that could limit the period required.

 

[oldgroaner]

Takeways as in places for passing workers to grab a bite, no problem.

But a lot of them are set up expressly to attract people to jump into their cars and drive. The nearest McD is a drive through. I would be amazed if there were enough sales to make it worth opening for the odd lorry driver, paramedic, or whatever other essential service workers there are.

And I repeat, if it was such a bad idea for them to close, why did the government not speak up some time ago?

They are trying to pass off the responsibility entirely to the companies.

the irony of Mc Donalds it that when people use the drive throughs, they go round to the car park, park within a couple of feet of each other, open their windows and eat their meals.....

 

[oldgroaner]

The Telegraph also ran this
"Live
Coronavirus latest news: Fears for Donald Trump's safety as Mike Pence aide is latest official to test positive"

Sorry, but I for one regards anything that happens to this loathsome creep as
"just desserts"

 

[oyster]

the irony of Mc Donalds it that when people use the drive throughs, they go round to the car park, park within a couple of feet of each other, open their windows and eat their meals.....

Or park on the yellow lines along the road just outside. Opening their doors over the shared-use path preventing any possibility of cycling, using a wheelchair/chariot and impairing even ordinary walking. The path not being two metres wide, even opening their windows would be unacceptable.

 

[oyster]

The Telegraph also ran this
"Live
Coronavirus latest news: Fears for Donald Trump's safety as Mike Pence aide is latest official to test positive"

Sorry, but I for one regards anything that happens to this loathsome creature as
"just desserts"

On top of the "personal valet" (apparently technically military personnel) of DT.

I have long said that president and vice president should maintain total physical separation. In the same way they have Air Force One and Air Force Two to ensure that they cannot both be taken out by one event.

But if they are too dumb to see that...

 

[oldgroaner]

The Express at it's worst
"
Professor Lockdown confounded science, says CAROLE MALONE
WHY was it the fact that Professor Neil Ferguson couldn't keep it in his pants heralded his sacking (sorry resignation) not his disastrous doomsday projections that forced this country into a financially crippling lockdown?

Amazing that it was in fact the WOMAN who broke the lockdown, but that isn't a convenient fact is it?
So this stupid female criticises a man who could well have saved thousands of lives? on a subject in which she is utterly ignorant.

Just how low can the Media go to push people back into work and risk their lives?

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Actually Farage is doing exactly what the Government wants him to do, either intentionally or more likely, through his own stupidity.

By not insisting he be prosecuted it sends the message they desire.
Regardless of the restrictions we keep in place, we want you to follow the example of the following people

Boris who went off to shack up with his girlfriend
Farage and his seaside holidays
And now Stanley Johnson

So on the one hand Boris wants to sound cautious to avoid any blame for the spate in additional deaths.
But he wants the public to be "nudged" by these examples, break the lockdown and get to work for the start up of the national profit making machine, and to hell with the death count, which can be portrayed
as "The Will of the people"

That’s actually very good and I hadn’t thought of it in those terms. Perhaps the lockdown is intentionally weaker than most European countries and intentionally vague and confusing with leaked snippets of easements. Rather than order people back out onto the streets to start spending, give them just enough leeway to do it themselves whilst quietly mumbling stay at home and hoping no one takes that bit too seriously. The strategy seems to be working a treat. It also gives Johnson a free excuse pass.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Telegraph also has this:

Coronavirus quarantine: All UK arrivals 'will have to self-isolate for 14 days'

Travellers will be required to fill in a digital form and declare the address where they will be staying with hefty fines for breaches

All visitors to Britain will be ordered to isolate for 14 days in a bid to prevent a second wave of coronavirus, Boris Johnson is set to announce on Sunday.

Travellers arriving in the UK will be required to fill in a digital form and declare an address where they will then be expected to self-isolate for 14 days, as revealed by The Telegraph.

Visitors could face fines of up to £1,000 and even deportation if spot checks later find they have flouted the rules, which the report claimed could be introduce in June.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/09/uk-arrivals-will-have-self-isolate-14-days/

Further openness and levelling with the public, this was a briefing. Not a public statement.

Six occurrences of "will" - followed by the undermining use of "could". That gives us confidence.

If it is such a good idea (and I am broadly in agreement with the measure):
Why was it not done months ago?
Why do we have to wait until June?
A fine of £1000 is inadequate. It needs to be vastly more significant to the wealthy. Like at least the possibility of being taken directly to a magistrates court and detained. And a fine proportionate to their assets.

Also in Guardian:

The idea of a quarantine has been mooted for some time, and transport secretary Grant Shapps has hinted at such a measure once the infection rate within the country is under control so the government is sure that the illness is not being imported.
.
.
However, questions will be raised as to why this measure was not introduced sooner, and what the scientific reasoning is for it to be introduced at this point in the government’s response. Other countries, including Australia and New Zealand, ordered 14-day isolation periods for visitors as early as March.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/09/two-week-coronavirus-quarantine-to-be-announced-for-uk-arrivals

Clearly, if a satisfactory test for infectiousness were available, that could limit the period required.

That particular horse has bolted, jumped the fence and is now living a new life working in a bar in South America. It now has a mare and two foals. Still we can have a big celebration to commemorate the closing of the stable door.

For how many weeks and how many times have the government been asked about unchecked airport arrivals, from Coronavirus hot spots, coming into the country and disappearing into the community? Incompetence is too weak a word, but I can’t think of another, except for a bunch of *****.

 

[flecc]

They are trying to pass off the responsibility entirely to the companies.

Not this time. As at least three of us have posted, it was made very clear at the time of the closure notice that all restaurants and cafes could operate as takeaways only, whether they were that already or not.

There was no attempt to be underhand about it, nor was there any restriction on who could use those facilities.
.

 

[Danidl]

That’s actually very good and I hadn’t thought of it in those terms. Perhaps the lockdown is intentionally weaker than most European countries and intentionally vague and confusing with leaked snippets of easements. Rather than order people back out onto the streets to start spending, give them just enough leeway to do it themselves whilst quietly mumbling stay at home and hoping no one takes that bit too seriously. The strategy seems to be working a treat. It also gives Johnson a free excuse pass.

Well really puts us back into the Brexit mode then. Ireland might have to suspend the common travel area CTA with mainland UK , if there is no reductions in infections. The key point is whether the NI executive will follow Dublins lead or Westminsters. Even NI Unionists who desperately wish to retain the British Union, even at huge economic cost, don't want to risk their Mammys lives. This was evident the last time I was in Belfast ..about 11 March and it was a ghost town,and it was Dublin's lead, mixed with good Northern pragmatism which had caused them to withdraw their kids from schools etc.

 

[oldgroaner]

Boris is he very model of a "Modern Major General" in this speeech
Er shouldn't that be "political hoodlum"?

This could indeed be Boris's theme song
"
I am the very model of a modern Major-General,
I've information vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I know the kings of England, and I quote the fights historical
From Marathon to Waterloo, in order categorical;[a]
I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,
I understand equations, both the simple and quadratical,
About binomial theorem I'm teeming with a lot o' news,
With many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse.

I'm very good at integral and differential calculus;
I know the scientific names of beings animalculous:
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Major-General.

I know our mythic history, King Arthur's and Sir Caradoc's;
I answer hard acrostics, I've a pretty taste for paradox,
I quote in elegiacs all the crimes of Heliogabalus,
In conics I can floor peculiarities parabolous;
I can tell undoubted Raphaels from Gerard Dows and Zoffanies,
I know the croaking chorus from The Frogs of Aristophanes!
Then I can hum a fugue of which I've heard the music's din afore,ht
And whistle all the airs from that infernal nonsense Pinafore.

Then I can write a washing bill in Babylonic cuneiform,
And tell you ev'ry detail of Caractacus's uniform:[c]
In short, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Major-General.

In fact, when I know what is meant by "mamelon" and "ravelin",
When I can tell at sight a Mauser rifle from a javelin,[d]
When such affairs as sorties and surprises I'm more wary at,
And when I know precisely what is meant by "commissariat",
When I have learnt what progress has been made in modern gunnery,
When I know more of tactics than a novice in a nunnery –
In short, when I've a smattering of elemental strategy –
You'll say a better Major-General has never sat a gee.[e]

For my military knowledge, though I'm plucky and adventury,
Has only been brought down to the beginning of the century;
But still, in matters vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I am the very model of a modern Major-General.

Such a shame that in the Opera house AKA the HOC he's playing with the smallest live supporting cast ever!

You know, I reckon it would be worth doing a rewrite of this for Boris as " The very model of a modern major catastrophy"

 

[Danidl]

“, police officers later visited his home to “advise” him about the current Coronavirus restrictions in place.”

That is not a Police Caution. A Police Caution is an alternative to prosecution and can be used in certain circumstances if the offence is admitted. A criminal record is created and it goes on the offenders record for a number of years. It’s to save court time, but still is technically a recorded offence which can be used in future decision making when faced with potential prosecution.

Farage was visited by the police and reminded of the lockdown rules following a complaint from a single member of the public. That is a long way from a Police Caution or even evidence any offence being disclosed.

I am afraid that you are still wrong.

Well obviously the offence was admitted..even boasted. The new European newspaper reports the the police encounter slightly differently than the Mail. As I previously stated, the proof will be in the readiness of this "Journalist ", to make a trip to Scotland ,to check on immigration from Norway