Brexit, for once some facts.

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dwp work coach death is mandatory :p
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Perhaps it might help you if you used your brain and read around the subject. I am not medical but can on occasion elicit information from my daughter who was a current Masters in Genetics and Microbiology. ..
1. The viral load that a person gets will determine whether they will even get ill. In simple terms a single drone can be shot down but a flight of 10,000 guarantees that a number get through and start multiple attacks / infections ,
2. If the person has a compromised immune system they will get it much harder...
3. If the person has damaged lungs ..due to COPD, Smoking or vaping or living in a polluted environment,it hits them harder
..The same is true for other organ problems , kidneys heart etc
4. Very recent results indicate that it makes the blood thicker..more viscous, and therefore reduces flow in the lungs. This gives the same result as high altitude sickness. Hence the problem with ventilators . Therapies using heparin and warfarin are being trued.
5. They can isolate and test for the virus and have found it in nose, throat, lungs and even excrement.
6. All evidence suggests that solid or liquid matter from nose, throat,lungs are the richest sources of viruses ,so spittiing, coughing, hawking up phlem , are the worst . At peak production 100,000 viruses per ml found. Breathing is negligible in comparison.
7. Lifetimes of viruses have been measured on different substances and will have half lives ..of between 0.5 and 4.00 hrs. This means that under normal conditions, a surface which got 1ml of phlegm, could be dangerous for 10 half lives or 40 hrs.
8. Many people live long and productive lives with defects in heart,lungs, liver, kidney, but CV19, cuts it short.. so they have died from complications linked to the virus.

Glad to see you haven't changed Dan lol
 

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why is it that professional doctors are saying in icu the lungs of these ppl have been starved of air like they have been picked up and stuck at the top of Everest and starved of co2 thus why they need to be ventilated in the first place as never seen anything like this b4.

if they can not isolate a virus and prove this and replicate it how can they even make a cure when they dont even know what really is causing it in the first place and why is it so bad for some ppl and not others as it makes no sense what so ever as every one now dies from being tested positive for cov19 on the death cert.

and we now are going to test 100.000 ppl a day buy the end of the month , what for? not that is going to happen anyway as they cant even manage that there so full of shite!


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Always good to hear the opinion of the Terminally confused, all we need now is a Cryptologist to explain the no doubt deeply moving moral content, where you question the need for testing, when you appear certain we are all doomed anyway, and should purchase the end of the month, had you some purpose in mind after doing so?

For the record there is nothing novel about two of your points

People are not usually given a death certificate before they die
If they actually die of cov19 or complications arising as a result it is hardly surprising that fact gets mentioned in passing.

Otherwise your contribution was good and original
But the parts that were good weren't original
And the parts that were original weren't good

I suspect you have never done better
Do carry on, we get less illuminating messages daily on the Daily Sermon from no 10
 

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if you can not isolate a virus name it as cov19 and prove it as the cause of death it is bs.
the microbiologists do isolate the SARS-CoV-2. There are variants or mutated versions of the same, so it's not 100% identical across the world.
That doctor (in Icke's post, I forgot his name) tried to argue that some of the published papers on SARS-COV-2 (the virus) and COVID-19 (corona virus disease 2019) contain caveats, thus not satisfy all the 8 Rivers conditions which would prove with certainty that that virus causes that disease. He did not dispute the existence of SARS-COV-2 nor COVID-19.
Microbiologists have purified the virus (and its siblings from lung tissue of dead patients) and use it to make vaccines.
 

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An interesting, and concerning, paper about covid-19 in the UK.

Usual warnings about it beinga pre-publication, unreviewed paper.

The Contribution of Age Structure to the Number of Deaths from Covid-19 in the UK by Geographical Units

Abstract
This study investigates the contribution of population age structure to mortality from Covid-19 in the UK by geographical units. We project death rates at various spatial scales by applying data on age-specific fatality rates to the area's population by age and sex. Our analysis shows a significant variation in the projected death rates between the constituent countries of the UK, between its regions and within regions. First, Scotland and Wales have higher projected fatality levels from Covid-19 than England, whereas Northern Ireland has lower rate. Second, the infection fatality rates are projected to be substantially higher in small towns and rural areas than those in large urban areas. Third, our analysis shows that within urban regions there are also 'pockets' of high projected death rates. Overall, the areas with high and low fatality rates tend to cluster because of the high residential separation of different population age-groups in the UK. Our analysis also reveals that the Welsh-, Gaelic- and Cornish-speaking communities with relatively old populations are likely to experience heavy population losses if the virus spreads widely across the UK.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20067991v1
 
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In a country where the scale of housing shortage causes homelessness and completely inadequate housing, second homes are an abomination.
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Some people don’t know how to live in a house and therefore should not have access to one. A few years ago, I had a tenant who caused a great deal of upset with the neighbours. When I eventually got them out, they took the central heating boiler and hot water tank and owed me two months rent. People like that are incapable of living amongst proper people and should be corralled together to live in huts. They don’t know how to use a house and are in a dire situation because they are third generation *****.

I lost the rent and it cost me to replace the boiler and the hot water tank and to hire some justice once I’d tracked the thieving bastards down. Since then I’ve only ever let to people in work and with a reference. Not strictly to the rules, but that’s how it rolls.

I was in the early stages of a building project when Coronavirus struck. Sensibly the builder has stopped working for the foreseeable. It would make financial sense to bin the project for a while because housing is go to take a big hit, but I have a good relationship with the builder and he has committed to my job, so hopefully knowing he has a good eight months work waiting will help him start back.
 

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i must say you have the most posts full of total shite on this forum that is a fact.
one could argue that is generally applicable to most of frequent posters from a certain angle, you and me included.
 

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one could argue that is generally applicable to most of frequent posters from a certain angle, you and me included.
but 99.9% of his posts are in this thread he is of no help to anyone on this ebike forum he is a waste of space ;)
 
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but 99.9% of his posts are in this thread he is of no help to anyone on this ebike forum he is a waste of space ;)
they are intended to be informative, if you ask an adult to explain them to you you might end up far wiser.
Clearly you can't manage that without help can you?
As to a being a waste of space, hardly fair criticism coming from an arrogant idiot who boasted about jumping a supermarket queue and making a fool of himself in public is it?
Let me quote that gem of wisdom
"if it does not get me high i dont want it i have been stoned for 30 years anyway drink cider smoke tobacco that says on the packet it is going to kill me and have to wait like a pleb in line to go in to tesco to buy a item that will kill me. not going to happen i have not changed anything i do... "

Thank you for making me laugh
Stay as sweet as you are... :cool:
 
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Perhaps the best metric of the progress of this disease is the ratio of people considered recovered to the number of active cases. Even the number of deaths, is not the best measure. By that metric NZ is the winner, China is extremely good at 10:1 , Germany and Austria at 3:1 and even Spain and Italy are starting to win. The USA is only starting its trials at 1:10
 

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Just what questions would you have predicted on your morning rounds of the media?

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When asked whether the government would be able to meet its pledge to test 100,000 people a day by the end of the month, Lewis said: “This was a virus that had no test at the beginning. Gone into 2,000 pretty quickly and we’ve upscaled it now to 40,000, getting to 100,000 by the end of the month.”

He told the BBC that the government has been focused on getting the capacity up to meet the demand by expanding test centres and get testing swabs to people at home.

09:26
Government minister Brandon Lewis admitted he did not know how many people had been tested for coronavirus in the past 24 hours as concern continues over the government’s 100k target.

The Northern Ireland secretary, in an interview with Piers Morgan, said he did not know the number despite it being readily available online. Instead he discussed that the government had the capacity to carry out 40,000 tests a day and carried out 22,000 yesterday.

Morgan said the capacity “sounds good” but “do you know how many people were tested?” Brandon said: “We did 22,000 tests but how many individual different people that was I don’t have that data in front of me at the moment, no.” “How can you not know that?” Morgan asked repeatedly, before telling him it was 13k individuals. Lewis responded: “Ok. Well as I say 22,000 tests were done.”

The government has promised to hit a target of 100,000 tests a day in just one week’s time but there is confusion again this morning on whether this refers to capacity or 100k tests being completed.
 

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I was in the early stages of a building project when Coronavirus struck. Sensibly the builder has stopped working for the foreseeable.
Next door were getting near the end of a project when the virus struck. They worked for a bit, appropriate distancing was possible on the site with only two or three working. They had to stop because the builders merchants had shut and they can't get supplies.
 

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Next door were getting near the end of a project when the virus struck. They worked for a bit, appropriate distancing was possible on the site with only two or three working. They had to stop because the builders merchants had shut and they can't get supplies.
Where we live is an estate of sorts, one builder has been building the houses for many years. They were doing the last four houses, in the last corner when CV hit. Since then, their work has been sporadic - some days busy, some not.

Strongly suspect combinations of all the things affecting the individual workers and supply issues. They seem to get a bit done, we see a delivery, then a bit more.
 
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Next door were getting near the end of a project when the virus struck. They worked for a bit, appropriate distancing was possible on the site with only two or three working. They had to stop because the builders merchants had shut and they can't get supplies.
Yes, most of the merchants have closed. There are a few doing deliveries only around here, but it’s hit & miss what turns up. The sensible thing is to stop working for the time being.
 
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