Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Mr. Fezziwig@TObservor
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enquiry must be structured as not to be witch hunt and should remain focused on ensuring U.K. is better prepared should this happen again. I believe that a truly independent enquiry would give U.K. good marks and highlighted the unreasonableness and vindictiveness of its critics

This government is responsible for many mistakes, acts of incompetence and politically driven recklessness. However, I don’t think they can take all of the blame for the high death toll.

I‘ve just cycled into town to collect a prescription for a neighbour. It’s the first time I’ve been out onto the main road and into town for about two weeks. The traffic levels are almost back to normal, the roads are what I would describe as being busy. People are chatting with others who they clearly know and having a right old catch-up. Social distancing seems to have completely gone out of the window. It’s back to normal out there.

The British people are clearly not up to the job. They’ve not got what it takes. Our death rate is definitely going to be the highest in Europe and some of that will be to do with the government’s handling of the situation and some of it will be due to the British people being weak and not having what it takes to do the public’s bit.

The family & friends that I have in Switzerland France & norther Italy report that the roads are empty and towns are deserted. They will do better than us and more of their people will live because they aren’t weak and they don’t crumble after a couple of dozen days. It’s pathetic and it’s embarrassing to see our people acting in such a juvenile way.

And the most juvenile thing our people did of course was to vote the Conservatives into power

 

[RossG]

Ambulance No. 7 just passes by in the distance, still counting......

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Mr. Fezziwig@TObservor
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enquiry must be structured as not to be witch hunt and should remain focused on ensuring U.K. is better prepared should this happen again. I believe that a truly independent enquiry would give U.K. good marks and highlighted the unreasonableness and vindictiveness of its critics

And the most juvenile thing our people did of course was to vote the Conservatives into power

Maybe, but the public shoulder a portion of the blame for each death.

 

[Danidl]

I presume you mean swabbing, the alternative could leave a mess on the carpet

Fair play!. ..

 

[oldgroaner]

Maybe, but the public shoulder a portion of the blame for each death.

But this situation would not have arisen had our government acted as promptly and efficiency the one in New Zealand did. would it?
It follows that the responsibility for creating the situation the public react so badly to can be laid squarely at their door.
The buck stops there.

The first case of the pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 in New Zealand was reported on 28 February 2020. As of 22 April 2020, the country has a total of 1,451 cases and 14 people have died from the virus. Cases have occurred in all 20 district health board areas

 

[Danidl]

This government is responsible for many mistakes, acts of incompetence and politically driven recklessness. However, I don’t think they can take all of the blame for the high death toll.

I‘ve just cycled into town to collect a prescription for a neighbour. It’s the first time I’ve been out onto the main road and into town for about two weeks. The traffic levels are almost back to normal, the roads are what I would describe as being busy. People are chatting with others who they clearly know and having a right old catch-up. Social distancing seems to have completely gone out of the window. It’s back to normal out there.

The British people are clearly not up to the job. They’ve not got what it takes. Our death rate is definitely going to be the highest in Europe and some of that will be to do with the government’s handling of the situation and some of it will be due to the British people being weak and not having what it takes to do the public’s bit.

The family & friends that I have in Switzerland France & norther Italy report that the roads are empty and towns are deserted. They will do better than us and more of their people will live because they aren’t weak and they don’t crumble after a couple of dozen days. It’s pathetic and it’s embarrassing to see our people acting in such a juvenile way.

With respect BS, I would blame the UK Government fully. The cavalier attitude they presented at the start immediately gets taken up by the public. If you think the UK people don't respect authority, you haven't met the Irish.. The term is minding mice at a crossroads. But in this case the people got the message,it was reinforced by good behaviour by the police and the Government .. no need for heavy handedness, when the people police themselves

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

But this situation would not have arisen had our government acted as promptly and efficiency the one in New Zealand did. would it?
It follows that the responsibility for creating the situation the public react so badly to can be laid squarely at their door.
The buck stops there.

The first case of the pandemic of coronavirus disease 2019 in New Zealand was reported on 28 February 2020. As of 22 April 2020, the country has a total of 1,451 cases and 14 people have died from the virus. Cases have occurred in all 20 district health board areas

I agree, a great deal of it is down to the government, but the public have failed, they don’t have what’s needed.

My niece was due to start a job in New Zealand in April and had everything in place. They refused her entry. Flat rejection as soon a Coronavirus hit, everything cancelled until further notice. Quite right too, very sensible.

The U.K.? God knows who pouring into the country unchecked from god knows where. Stupid. Trump tries something similar to New Zealand. He’s a ****. He’s a racist.

This is going to need the public to do its bit or else we may as well just take the brakes off and let it rip.

 

[oldgroaner]

I agree, a great deal of it is down to the government, but the public have failed, they don’t have what’s needed.

My niece was due to start a job in New Zealand in April and had everything in place. They refused her entry. Flat rejection as soon a Coronavirus hit, everything cancelled until further notice. Quite right too, very sensible.

The U.K.? God knows who pouring into the country unchecked from god knows where. Stupid. Trump tries something similar to New Zealand. He’s a ****. He’s a racist.

This is going to need the public to do its bit or else we may as well just take the brakes off and let it rip.

Unless this government goes and Brexit with it, it's pretty academic what we do
Everything hangs of finding a vaccine, otherwise as you point out the less mentally well endowed in the population have been encouraged by the very politicians that half heartedly want them to show restraint to act like the rabble they are.
Let's be honest within a few days any pretence at caring about the number of the dead will be ignored in seeking to return to making a profit.
Any moment now Fromage will urge the sort of revolting behaviour against restraint his master promotes
We are approaching a very dangerous powder keg and fuse situation

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Unless this government goes and Brexit with it, it's pretty academic what we do
Everything hangs of finding a vaccine, otherwise as you point out the less mentally well endowed in the population have been encouraged by the very politicians that half heartedly want them to show restraint to act like the rabble they are.
Let's be honest within a few days any pretence at caring about the number of the dead will be ignored in seeking to return to making a profit.
Any moment now Fromage will urge the sort of revolting behaviour against restraint his master promotes
We are approaching a very dangerous powder keg and fuse situation

I don't think Farage's intervention will make any difference. I can see the way the public are heading, they have no staying power. They just thought it was a case of an extended three week bank holiday and then all would be good, back down the pub sinking pints and watching footie.

There was a clown in America campaigning on social media to end their lock down, claimed it was a government conspiracy and wanted his "freedoms" back. He died yesterday, coronavirus, which is actually very sad.

I still don't think the public have grasped how deadly this is. The daily death toll has lost its impact, its just a number with a value of around 800.

 

[oyster]

Maybe, but the public shoulder a portion of the blame for each death.

I'll accept you can argue that. But I'll disagree.

Partner and I have been socially distancing and, to a considerable extent, actually self-isolating all the way through. We have watched as football, rugby, nags, and goodness knows what else were allowed to go ahead. We have watched as there is increasing evidence and support of public wearing of face masks.

Most of the time we have been scratching our heads wondering how we can be so stupid as to think that large crowds could increase transmission. Or our stupidity at thinking face masks might have some advantages.

Contuning with our utter failure to understand why someone would order, and pay for, 3.5 million useless covid tests. Why pressers on televsion showed senior politicians and journalists more or less running shoulders with each other in number 10 and, on the odd occasion it was operating, in HoC.

Our stupidity now appears to have trumped their stupidity. Their fault. Almost entirely.

 

[oyster]

Some people are very unhappy at our local council:

Newsroom

Authority says second home Council Tax premium will stay

Pembrokeshire County Council has justified its decision to continue to charge a 50 per cent Council Tax premium on second homes.

The Authority has faced criticism from some second home owners who claim the extra charge should not be levied as they are unable to use their properties in Pembrokeshire because of the coronavirus travelling restrictions.
https://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk/newsroom/authority-says-second-home-council-tax-premium-will-stay

If someone became ill and couldn't come down to their second home, should they be entitled to claim a refund?

 

[flecc]

The Authority has faced criticism from some second home owners who claim the extra charge should not be levied as they are unable to use their properties in Pembrokeshire because of the coronavirus travelling restrictions.

No, they should still pay, since the ill effects they cause of high house prices and shortage of homes for locals still exist.

And anyway, we aren't getting a rebate on VED (car tax) because we can't freely use our cars at present, so why should they?
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[oyster]

No, they should still pay, since the ill effects they cause of high house prices and shortage of homes for locals still exist.

And anyway, we aren't getting a rebate on VED (car tax) because we can't freely use our cars at present, so why should they?
.

There is a growing pressure to enable people who come to their second homes to be sent back to their primary homes.

 

[flecc]

There is a growing pressure to enable people who come to their second homes to be sent back to their primary homes.

In a country where the scale of housing shortage causes homelessness and completely inadequate housing, second homes are an abomination.
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[wheeler]

I‘ve just cycled into town to collect a prescription for a neighbour. It’s the first time I’ve been out onto the main road and into town for about two weeks. The traffic levels are almost back to normal, the roads are what I would describe as being busy. People are chatting with others who they clearly know and having a right old catch-up. Social distancing seems to have completely gone out of the window. It’s back to normal out there.

The British people are clearly not up to the job. They’ve not got what it takes. Our death rate is definitely going to be the highest in Europe and some of that will be to do with the government’s handling of the situation and some of it will be due to the British people being weak and not having what it takes to do the public’s bit.

The family & friends that I have in Switzerland France & norther Italy report that the roads are empty and towns are deserted. They will do better than us and more of their people will live because they aren’t weak and they don’t crumble after a couple of dozen days. It’s pathetic and it’s embarrassing to see our people acting in such a juvenile way.

That's certainly not my experience around here, on my weekly 10 mile run to the supermarket today saw around 8 other cars between towns. Nobody congregating anywhere, plenty folk out walking but all social distancing.
I think the lack of traffic may be causing other problems, a young girl walking with her back to the traffic and wearing earbuds, oblivious of the car approaching behind her. Another family comprising mum dad and two kids again walking on the road, backs to the traffic.
I wonder if walking on roads without footways is a new experience for these people and they don't know how it should be done.

 

[oyster]

That's certainly not my experience around here, on my weekly 10 mile run to the supermarket today saw around 8 other cars between towns. Nobody congregating anywhere, plenty folk out walking but all social distancing.
I think the lack of traffic may be causing other problems, a young girl walking with her back to the traffic and wearing earbuds, oblivious of the car approaching behind her. Another family comprising mum dad and two kids again walking on the road, backs to the traffic.
I wonder if walking on roads without footways is a new experience for these people and they don't know how it should be done.

Round here, without visitors, it is unusually quiet for the time of year. But it is actually unusually quiet for absolutely any time.

At around 14:00 today, one retail park (grand term for a few out of town shops) had the sort of number of vehicles in the car park that you might see at 08:00 on a Sunday morning. That is, a few that might have been left or belong to staff and even fewer belonging to active shoppers. Boots and M&S (the only open shops) had no queues at all.

People are making mistakes, and some carelessness, but I'd say, generally pretty good.

And yes, people are walking on roads.

We see the odd person who, we suspect, is in some way visting when they shouldn't. But it is close to impossible to know if there is some reason we are not aware of. And the level is tiny.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

That's certainly not my experience around here, on my weekly 10 mile run to the supermarket today saw around 8 other cars between towns. Nobody congregating anywhere, plenty folk out walking but all social distancing.
I think the lack of traffic may be causing other problems, a young girl walking with her back to the traffic and wearing earbuds, oblivious of the car approaching behind her. Another family comprising mum dad and two kids again walking on the road, backs to the traffic.
I wonder if walking on roads without footways is a new experience for these people and they don't know how it should be done.

Good to hear people are sticking to the guidance in your area.

 

[soundwave]

why is it that professional doctors are saying in icu the lungs of these ppl have been starved of air like they have been picked up and stuck at the top of Everest and starved of co2 thus why they need to be ventilated in the first place as never seen anything like this b4.

if they can not isolate a virus and prove this and replicate it how can they even make a cure when they dont even know what really is causing it in the first place and why is it so bad for some ppl and not others as it makes no sense what so ever as every one now dies from being tested positive for cov19 on the death cert.

and we now are going to test 100.000 ppl a day buy the end of the month , what for? not that is going to happen anyway as they cant even manage that there so full of shite!

lmfao

 

[Danidl]

why is it that professional doctors are saying in icu the lungs of these ppl have been starved of air like they have been picked up and stuck at the top of Everest and starved of co2 thus why they need to be ventilated in the first place as never seen anything like this b4.

if they can not isolate a virus and prove this and replicate it how can they even make a cure when they dont even know what really is causing it in the first place and why is it so bad for some ppl and not others as it makes no sense what so ever as every one now dies from being tested positive for cov19 on the death cert.

and we now are going to test 100.000 ppl a day buy the end of the month , what for? not that is going to happen anyway as they cant even manage that there so full of shite!

lmfao

Perhaps it might help you if you used your brain and read around the subject. I am not medical but can on occasion elicit information from my daughter who was a current Masters in Genetics and Microbiology. ..
1. The viral load that a person gets will determine whether they will even get ill. In simple terms a single drone can be shot down but a flight of 10,000 guarantees that a number get through and start multiple attacks / infections ,
2. If the person has a compromised immune system they will get it much harder...
3. If the person has damaged lungs ..due to COPD, Smoking or vaping or living in a polluted environment,it hits them harder
..The same is true for other organ problems , kidneys heart etc
4. Very recent results indicate that it makes the blood thicker..more viscous, and therefore reduces flow in the lungs. This gives the same result as high altitude sickness. Hence the problem with ventilators . Therapies using heparin and warfarin are being trued.
5. They can isolate and test for the virus and have found it in nose, throat, lungs and even excrement.
6. All evidence suggests that solid or liquid matter from nose, throat,lungs are the richest sources of viruses ,so spittiing, coughing, hawking up phlem , are the worst . At peak production 100,000 viruses per ml found. Breathing is negligible in comparison.
7. Lifetimes of viruses have been measured on different substances and will have half lives ..of between 0.5 and 4.00 hrs. This means that under normal conditions, a surface which got 1ml of phlegm, could be dangerous for 10 half lives or 40 hrs.
8. Many people live long and productive lives with defects in heart,lungs, liver, kidney, but CV19, cuts it short.. so they have died from complications linked to the virus.

 

[soundwave]

if you can not isolate a virus name it as cov19 and prove it as the cause of death it is bs.

show me the proof 1400 on avg die every day in the uk anyway and 10.000 are from care homes every month dwp kill about 100k every 6 months this is going to go up big time!

if you got no money you are going to starve to death welcome to universal credit