Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

I see, or rather don't see, never having been a member of fb:

Facebook says it has taken down government advertising that was accused of targeting voters in marginal election constituencies.
The social media firm said the ads "were not correctly labelled" and did not include the obligatory disclaimer.
Each of the ads in the campaign, first reported by HuffPost UK, said the government was investing "up to £25m" in a named town.
The government said it was always planned to end the promotion on Friday.
The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government maintains the advertisements were not "pulled" by Facebook.
A spokesperson added: "While the posts are still present on Facebook, they are no longer being promoted as the paid-for campaign has ended."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50270727?SThisFB

 

[oyster]

DC would be confessing ignorance if he didn't know. Not his style.

Johnson ‘knew about Vote Leave’s illegal overspend’, says MP
Prime minister accused of ‘sitting on information’ after EU referendum

Boris Johnson knew of Vote Leave’s overspend during the 2016 EU referendum, but appears to have failed to tell the authorities, according to explosive new claims from a senior MP. The payment was subsequently ruled to be illegal.

Ian Lucas revealed that he has seen correspondence obtained during the parliamentary inquiry into disinformation and democracy which showed that Johnson’s most senior aide, Dominic Cummings, told the Electoral Commission that the prime minister, and his cabinet colleague Michael Gove, knew of the overspend by the pro-Brexit organisation.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/02/boris-johnson-vote-leave-overspend-eu-referendum-labour-mp-ian-lucas

 

[oldgroaner]

And another small hiccup fpr Boris and co
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-asks-about-dominic-cummings-years-working-in-russia-vl6d0w62z

He worked there for three years after leaving University for an airline that flew one plane in three years?

As usual nothing to see here
All done in the best possible taste.

 

[oyster]

And another small hiccup fpr Boris and co
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-asks-about-dominic-cummings-years-working-in-russia-vl6d0w62z

He worked there for three years after leaving University for an airline that flew one plane in three years?

As usual nothing to see here
All done in the best possible taste.

That no-one seems to ask has always been amazing. (Though I did allude to his many connections some months ago.)

 

[oyster]

Observer:

The prime minister Boris Johnson has been holding regular meetings at No 10 with the head of NHS England, Simon Stevens, as evidence mounts of lengthening delays in treatment caused by shortages of doctors and nurses.

Typical disregard of Wales, Scotland and NI.

 

[Fingers]

There are suggestions Labour brexit voters might have gone with brexit party where they would never go tory. Hence, brexit party having candidates in all seats might affect Labour vote as well as tory. Which would be more affected?

You come across as someone brainwashed by a cult. ( I'm referring to your previous posts above this one too )

The facts are he has the lowest poll numbers in history. No clear Brexit strategy and hated by half of his parliamentary colleagues.

He comes across as a doddery, angry old man who if you disagree with him he and his crew they will label you a racist and non believer. The worst things you can be in their world.

I think you are in for a very, very nasty shock. The cult of Johnson is so strong that even people who have voted Labour all their lives will vote Johnson. It's a combination of love for Johnson and hate, real hate for Corbyn.

These poll numbers aren't a blip.

 

[Fingers]

Observer:

The prime minister Boris Johnson has been holding regular meetings at No 10 with the head of NHS England, Simon Stevens, as evidence mounts of lengthening delays in treatment caused by shortages of doctors and nurses.

Typical disregard of Wales, Scotland and NI.

Labour are in charge of Wales NHS and the SNP are in charge of Scotland NHS.

He has zero influence over them so why would he meet?

 

[Woosh]

and hated by half of his parliamentary colleagues.

I'd guess more than half. However, I like his brexit strategy.
It's the only one that does not divide the people.

 

[Fingers]

I'd guess more than half. However, I like his brexit strategy.
It's the only one that does not divide the people.

But it is still illogical.

He says he will put together a deal that he agrees with then disagree with it.

imo opinion he has cocked any chance of a second ref.

He should have insisted on a confirmatory referendum before he agreed to a GE. He would have had the numbers.

The man is a fool and so are a lot of his handlers. To cultist to see the bigger picture.

 

[oyster]

Labour are in charge of Wales NHS and the SNP are in charge of Scotland NHS.

He has zero influence over them so why would he meet?

If the numbers of, for example, nurses, in England are inadequate this is something that very obviously impacts on W, S and NI as well. Even if only because England might attempt to recruit from outside its own borders with obvious possible consequences.

 

[oyster]

You come across as someone brainwashed by a cult. ( I'm referring to your previous posts above this one too )

The facts are he has the lowest poll numbers in history. No clear Brexit strategy and hated by half of his parliamentary colleagues.

He comes across as a doddery, angry old man who if you disagree with him he and his crew they will label you a racist and non believer. The worst things you can be in their world.

I think you are in for a very, very nasty shock. The cult of Johnson is so strong that even people who have voted Labour all their lives will vote Johnson. It's a combination of love for Johnson and hate, real hate for Corbyn.

These poll numbers aren't a blip.

There is much I disgree with about JC. But the brief appearance on television I saw yesterday, he was measured and sensible. Which is more than I have seen from BJ, pretty much ever.

 

[50Hertz]

From what I’ve seen and heard so far, the Conservative election strategy seems to be “let’s get Brexit done” which is the biggest load of ******* since “a strong & stable government.” And “vote for us or else you’ll get Corbyn.” Didn’t Theresa May try that? They seem to have forgotten how that turned out.

I’m really starting to hate this, “let’s get Brexit done” bull and the campaigning hasn’t really started yet.

 

[oyster]

From what I’ve seen and heard so far, the Conservative election strategy seems to be “let’s get Brexit done” which is the biggest load of ******* since “a strong & stable government.” And “vote for us or else you’ll get Corbyn.” Didn’t Theresa May try that? They seem to have forgotten how that turned out.

I’m really starting to hate this, “let’s get Brexit done” bulk and the campaigning hasn’t really started yet.

He has "apologised" and blamed parliament for not yet having left the EU.

He could, of course, blame parliament for agreeing to join the EU in the first place.

But I say, don't promise what you can't deliver. At present, the tory strategy seems to be 100% promises which won't be fulfilled. Of course, he will blame parliament or anything else that comes to mind and not accept that they were hollow in the first place.

 

[50Hertz]

He has "apologised" and blamed parliament for not yet having left the EU.

He could, of course, blame parliament for agreeing to join the EU in the first place.

But I say, don't promise what you can't deliver. At present, the tory strategy seems to be 100% promises which won't be fulfilled. Of course, he will blame parliament or anything else that comes to mind and not accept that they were hollow in the first place.

Absolutely correct. The responsibility for not having left the EU on 31/10 rests 100% on Boris Johnson’s shoulders. He knew the numbers in the HoC, he knew the result of May’s attempts and he knew the EU’s negotiating position. Boris Johnson took on the challenge with full sight of these parameters and I believe he knew that he would never get the deal passed. He lied in order to gain backing for the job of PM. He will have had the blame Corbyn, blame MPs strategy worked out even before he became PM.

I hate Johnson and all of his backers, mainly for their contempt for the public. They view the public as uneducated plebs who are so stupid that will believe anything they feed them. Unfortunately, in some instances, their assumptions are correct.

 

[Woosh]

But it is still illogical.

He says he will put together a deal that he agrees with then disagree with it.

imo opinion he has cocked any chance of a second ref.

He should have insisted on a confirmatory referendum before he agreed to a GE. He would have had the numbers.

The man is a fool and so are a lot of his handlers. To cultist to see the bigger picture.

his deal is a bit difficult to see how it is going to work, but at least, JC respects both the original 'win' of the brexit camp and also the democratic right of the government of the day to ask for a confirmation vote.

 

[Nev]

They view the public as uneducated plebs who are so stupid that will believe anything they feed them. Unfortunately, in some instances, their assumptions are correct.

There are some stats on the link below from the YouGov site that shows how people voted in the referendum and together with their age ranges and qualifications appears to back up what you say.

70% of people with GCSE qualifications and below voted to leave.
68% of people with Degree qualifications voted to remain.

How Britain voted at the EU referendum | YouGov

Over-65s were more than twice as likely as under-25s to have voted to Leave the European Union

yougov.co.uk

 

[Nev]

The following piece is a good read about Brexit, its written by a guy who runs an investing forum, yes he is a remainer but he talks a lot of common sense and the information he provides on investing is first class.

https://monevator.com/

 

[Nev]

his deal is a bit difficult to see how it is going to work, but at least, JC respects both the original 'win' of the brexit camp and also the democratic right of the government of the day to ask for a confirmation vote.

One (of the many) problems I have with JC is the pathetic job he did in campaigning for remain during the referendum. He demonstrated during the GE campaign of 2017 he is an excellent campaigner, if he had put even half the energy into the referendum remain campaign that he put into the election, then we would have voted to remain and the country would be an awful lot richer.

I really don't know who I am going to vote for in the election (other than it wont be Tory). I like the idea of voting Libdem and many other remain voters in my area do too, but we are worried if we do then the Conservatives might win the seat.

In the last election the Tories won but Labour were not far behind and the Libdems were a very distant fourth, and Plaid miles behind too, so I might have to vote Labour but I really don't like the hard left so I am at a loss.

 

[oldgroaner]

What are we to make of Farage not standing for election in the GE?
He owns the so called Brexit party and steps aside in what should be it's finest hour?

 

[Wicky]

Don't think there's a 'safe seat' Farage could possbily win in going by the previous 7 attempts, and even if he could he wouldn't want be lumbered with the work & responsibility of being an MP to constituents.

Far better that the mugs who bought into the BXP Franchise at a £100 a pop do all the running about for him.