Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Get your point Flecc but your maths is flawed. 4.28 million in a total of 513 million represents 0.0083( 0.83%)
Since there are 751 MEPs there should be 6.2 (0.83% of 751)Croatian MEPs. Agreed it must be an integar.. So 6 full time. 7 one week in 5?.
Agreed this would be for equal numeric representation. Who decided otherwise and what algorithm is used to arrive at figures supplied by Woosh.??
Seems at moment Spanish are seriously under represented but Cypriots well over??

As I posted, equal numeric representation isn't their aim, their budgetary redistribution indicates what they want to achieve.

I don't know what their formula is, but clearly the governments of the countries involved seem to accept that it's fair since they've never seemed to be kicking up about it.
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[Fingers]

As I posted, equal numeric representation isn't their aim, their budgetary redistribution indicates what they want to achieve.

I don't know what their formula is, but clearly the governments of the countries involved seem to accept that it's fair since they've never seemed to be kicking up about it.
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They are not allowed to.

 

[Wicky]

"In the House of Commons of England, each English county elected two "knights of the shire" while each enfranchised borough elected "burgesses" (usually two, sometimes four, and in a few cases one). From 1535 each Welsh county and borough was represented, by one knight or burgess. The franchise was restricted differently in different types of constituency; in county constituencies forty shilling freeholders (i.e. landowners) could vote, while in boroughs the franchise varied from potwallopers, giving many residents votes, to rotten boroughs with hardly any voters. A county borough was the constituency of a county corporate, combining the franchises of both county and borough. Until 1950 there were also university constituencies, which gave graduates an additional representation."

United Kingdom constituencies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Fingers]

"In the House of Commons of England, each English county elected two "knights of the shire" while each enfranchised borough elected "burgesses" (usually two, sometimes four, and in a few cases one). From 1535 each Welsh county and borough was represented, by one knight or burgess. The franchise was restricted differently in different types of constituency; in county constituencies forty shilling freeholders (i.e. landowners) could vote, while in boroughs the franchise varied from potwallopers, giving many residents votes, to rotten boroughs with hardly any voters. A county borough was the constituency of a county corporate, combining the franchises of both county and borough. Until 1950 there were also university constituencies, which gave graduates an additional representation."

United Kingdom constituencies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And?

 

[Danidl]

They are not allowed to.

Of course they are allowed to!.

 

[oldgroaner]

The vermin are stooping to new lows
In the Telegraph
Boris Johnson pins his hopes on Hungary veto for Brexit delay
The Benn Act requires the Prime Minister to send a letter to Brussels asking for an extension to Article 50 if he fails to agree a deal by Oct 19.

However, on Friday night, EU sources said senior ministers had reached out to the Hungarian government for assurances it would veto any request for a delay.

An Article 50 extension must be agreed by all 27 other EU leaders.
...................................
And what did they offer as an inducement?

And as usual it's pie in the sky
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hungary-brexit-boris-johnson-eu-extension-delay-orban-a9104566.html
Hungary's far-right government says it won’t veto Brexit extension as favour to Boris Johnson

Foreign minister says country will not seek to have casting vote


But the Brexit Faithful will believe the headline as usual!

Fun comment from a "genius" reader in the Express

rha 421
"If it’s true I will be holidaying in hungry next year ."
..............
Perhaps there's rather a deep prophetic meaning to that one!

 

[oyster]

The vermin are stooping to new lows
In the Telegraph
Boris Johnson pins his hopes on Hungary veto for Brexit delay
The Benn Act requires the Prime Minister to send a letter to Brussels asking for an extension to Article 50 if he fails to agree a deal by Oct 19.

However, on Friday night, EU sources said senior ministers had reached out to the Hungarian government for assurances it would veto any request for a delay.

An Article 50 extension must be agreed by all 27 other EU leaders.
...................................
And what did they offer as an inducement?

And as usual it's pie in the sky
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hungary-brexit-boris-johnson-eu-extension-delay-orban-a9104566.html
Hungary's far-right government says it won’t veto Brexit extension as favour to Boris Johnson

Foreign minister says country will not seek to have casting vote


But the Brexit Faithful will believe the headline as usual!

Fun comment from a "genius" reader in the Express

rha 421
"If it’s true I will be holidaying in hungry next year ."
..............
Perhaps there's rather a deep prophetic meaning to that one!

I've been wondering if they could technically ask for an extension and, assuming it is granted, choose not to take it up?

 

[Zlatan]

I've been wondering if they could technically ask for an extension and, assuming it is granted, choose not to take it up?

That sounds more Corbyn than Boris.

 

[Danidl]

I've been wondering if they could technically ask for an extension and, assuming it is granted, choose not to take it up?

Well it requires an amendment to the Withdrawal Act,so does need to be voted on in the HoC. I was surprised how cavalier that process was for the last extension. Basically it was moved in these Terms.
"This is just technical ,,Our Representative to the EU has said we are taking an extension,so we had better just vote and legalise it."..and they did.

 

[Danidl]

The vermin are stooping to new lows
In the Telegraph
Boris Johnson pins his hopes on Hungary veto for Brexit delay
The Benn Act requires the Prime Minister to send a letter to Brussels asking for an extension to Article 50 if he fails to agree a deal by Oct 19.

However, on Friday night, EU sources said senior ministers had reached out to the Hungarian government for assurances it would veto any request for a delay.

An Article 50 extension must be agreed by all 27 other EU leaders.
...................................
And what did they offer as an inducement?

And as usual it's pie in the sky
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hungary-brexit-boris-johnson-eu-extension-delay-orban-a9104566.html
Hungary's far-right government says it won’t veto Brexit extension as favour to Boris Johnson

Foreign minister says country will not seek to have casting vote


But the Brexit Faithful will believe the headline as usual!

Fun comment from a "genius" reader in the Express

rha 421
"If it’s true I will be holidaying in hungry next year ."
..............
Perhaps there's rather a deep prophetic meaning to that one!

Part of me, was hoping that they or the Poles would veto. I think the UK needs a reality check. But I fear the consequences.

 

[Zlatan]

"In the House of Commons of England, each English county elected two "knights of the shire" while each enfranchised borough elected "burgesses" (usually two, sometimes four, and in a few cases one). From 1535 each Welsh county and borough was represented, by one knight or burgess. The franchise was restricted differently in different types of constituency; in county constituencies forty shilling freeholders (i.e. landowners) could vote, while in boroughs the franchise varied from potwallopers, giving many residents votes, to rotten boroughs with hardly any voters. A county borough was the constituency of a county corporate, combining the franchises of both county and borough. Until 1950 there were also university constituencies, which gave graduates an additional representation."

United Kingdom constituencies - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The number of constituents represented by each of the 650 mps in our system is much more consistent than EU. Milton Keyes is I believe largest with about 92000. Smallest around 56000(Woking???). Generally they are around 75,000 in England and 70,000ish in Scotland. Obviously to achieve this the geographical areas covered vary massively.
Our democracy deems this issue important. I suppose those supporting EU will say it doesnt matter and likewise those opposing EU will think it important.
Seems unfair to me that a Spanish mep has around 400,000 voters supporting her/him( assuming 50% turnout) whereas their Cypriot counterpart has only 80,000(assuming 50% turnout again) with both having equal voting power.
Each MEP/MP should represent equal numbers of people.

 

[daveboy]

An interesting article on how Boris might be able to leave with no deal.

MSN

 

[Woosh]

I've been wondering if they could technically ask for an extension and, assuming it is granted, choose not to take it up?

No. The agreement has to be signed by both parties.
the A50 extension is a legal contract, we agree to pay the membership fee and abide by the rules of the club until the end date, which can only be cut short by mutual consent.

 

[Woosh]

An interesting article on how Boris might be able to leave with no deal.

MSN

that article does not add anything new.
there are only 2 ways we can leave on the 31-October. The EU does not agree to an extension or parliament votes for it.

 

[Woosh]

Each MEP/MP should represent equal numbers of people.

if and when the EU becomes a single state then yes.
Other looser federations use similar 'handicap' systems to give a bigger voice to minorities such as the US Senate.

 

[daveboy]

that article does not add anything new.
there are only 2 ways we can leave on the 31-October. The EU does not agree to an extension or parliament votes for it.

What about the bit about Boris getting a deal and then running it out of time in the HOC ? and the bit about EU law over ruling UK law when it comes to article 50.

 

[Fingers]

Rugby!

 

[Woosh]

Part of me, was hoping that they or the Poles would veto. I think the UK needs a reality check. But I fear the consequences.

On the balance of probabilities, I think the UK will leave, may be not this year or next year.
The fundamental issue is the EU's future itself. There is no future for the EU if it shrinks its current spheres of competence and budget. If it standstills then it will eventually die because the market forces of international trade will eventually break smaller customs unions until none is left.
Specifically for the UK, EU budget allocation creates too much distortion between contribution and budget share. We pay in about £18 billions and receives about £6-£7 billions, it's the same as the British pay 65% tax rate.

 

[50Hertz]

No. The agreement has to be signed by both parties.
the A50 extension is a legal contract, we agree to pay the membership fee and abide by the rules of the club until the end date, which can only be cut short by mutual consent.

Johnson has something up his sleeve. I think one of the countries vetoing the extension is the most likely. There are some dodgy nations amongst the 27, throw them a bit of cash and they will dance to any tune you care to play, as demonstrated by Ireland.

Perhaps the Benn act should have contained a clause stating that if the extension is vetoed, then A50 must be cancelled and a new and binding vote on exiting the EU held.

 

[Zlatan]

On the balance of probabilities, I think the UK will leave, may be not this year or next year.
The fundamental issue is the EU's future itself. There is no future for the EU if it shrinks its current spheres of competence and budget. If it standstills then it will eventually die because the market forces of international trade will eventually break smaller customs unions until none is left.
Specifically for the UK, EU budget allocation creates too much distortion between contribution and budget share. We pay in about £18 billions and receives about £6-£7 billions, it's the same as the British pay 65% tax rate.

If the EU does allow Albania in, as it looks likely, there are likely to be further costs and problems. To a lesser extent this also applies to Macedonia.
Does Albania actually meet any requirements on democracy and control of corruption, standards must be low if it does.
Seems rather a case of optimistic idealism over hard reality again.

Albania country risk report

www.ganintegrity.com

Our replacement in the EU???