Brexit, for once some facts.

50Hertz

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 2, 2019
2,199
2,403
If the EU does allow Albania in, as it looks likely, there are likely to be further costs and problems. To a lesser extent this also applies to Macedonia.
Does Albania actually meet any requirements on democracy and control of corruption, standards must be low if it does.
Seems rather a case of optimistic idealism over hard reality again.


Our replacement in the EU???
Albania? The local Albanians do an ace job of washing my 17 year old Subaru Forester, but I’m not sure that nation as a whole will be able to plug the financial gap left by the U.K.’s departure, if it happens, which I hope it doesn’t.
 

Zlatan

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 26, 2016
8,086
4,290
Albania? The local Albanians do an ace job of washing my 17 year old Subaru Forester, but I’m not sure that nation as a whole will be able to plug the financial gap left by the U.K.’s departure, if it happens, which I hope it doesn’t.
Looking like it might. Albania and many EU officials claiming Albania has its problems sorted.
Its 15 years since I was there, I couldnt get out quick enough and as far as I could tell every factory produced cannabis(and quite openly) Every official was a mafia member on take, bribery was open and rife. But things change.. Perhaps the chance of getting their debt and negative balance of payments sorted has made all the criminals turn over new leaves.???
Good luck on that one EU.
It is a beautiful country, locals super friendly and actually from our experience there (street) crime free. Never felt at risk and contrary to what we got told (In Corfu) no pick pockets etc etc. Actually less hassle than Turkey. The corruption is not on the streets.
But if its sorted, I, ll go back. Great wind down a stunning coastline, clear blue sky and water and very hot.... And cheap.
We might be banned post Brexit??? Bet we're not tho.
 
Last edited:

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,203
30,604
The vermin are stooping to new lows
In the Telegraph
Boris Johnson pins his hopes on Hungary veto for Brexit delay
The Benn Act requires the Prime Minister to send a letter to Brussels asking for an extension to Article 50 if he fails to agree a deal by Oct 19.

However, on Friday night, EU sources said senior ministers had reached out to the Hungarian government for assurances it would veto any request for a delay.

An Article 50 extension must be agreed by all 27 other EU leaders.
...................................
And what did they offer as an inducement?

And as usual it's pie in the sky
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hungary-brexit-boris-johnson-eu-extension-delay-orban-a9104566.html
Hungary's far-right government says it won’t veto Brexit extension as favour to Boris Johnson

Foreign minister says country will not seek to have casting vote


But the Brexit Faithful will believe the headline as usual!

Fun comment from a "genius" reader in the Express

rha 421
"If it’s true I will be holidaying in hungry next year ."
..............
Perhaps there's rather a deep prophetic meaning to that one!
There is absolutely no chance of Hungary using a veto for this. Their PM Viktor Orban has forged a very profitable close economic relationship with Germany and won't rock any EU economic boats.
.
 

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,203
30,604
Johnson has something up his sleeve. I think one of the countries vetoing the extension is the most likely. There are some dodgy nations amongst the 27, throw them a bit of cash and they will dance to any tune you care to play, as demonstrated by Ireland.

Perhaps the Benn act should have contained a clause stating that if the extension is vetoed, then A50 must be cancelled and a new and binding vote on exiting the EU held.
I think the only thing up his sleeve is his continuing bluff for the EU to perhaps believe that is true. That's in the hope of them giving way with a big concession at the last minute, since he continues to believe that is likely due to them bluffing.

They aren't.
.
 
  • Agree
  • Informative
Reactions: Wicky and 50Hertz

50Hertz

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 2, 2019
2,199
2,403
I think the only thing up his sleeve is his continuing bluff for the EU to perhaps believe that is true. That's in the hope of them giving way with a big concession at the last minute, since he continues to believe that is likely due to them bluffing.

They aren't.
.
Maybe he’s hoping to find a loophole that will enable him to defy the Benn Act then?
 

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,203
30,604
Maybe he’s hoping to find a loophole that will enable him to defy the Benn Act then?
With these conundrums, the answer all too often is the simplest one.

In this case that he's trying to bluff the EU into believing he will take us out on the 31st somehow.

A sort of inverted project fear in the hope that they'll give way. Like so many Leavers he still half believes the myth that the EU needs us more than we need them.

They don't.
.
 
Last edited:

50Hertz

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 2, 2019
2,199
2,403
With these conundrums, the answer all too often is the simplest one.

In this case that the's trying to bluff the EU into believing he will take us out on the 31st somehow.

A sort of inverted project fear in the hope that they'll give way. Like so many Leavers he still half believes the myth that the EU needs us more than we need them.

They don't.
.
I would have thought he would be moderating his language by now, softening the Brexiters up for the disappointment on not leaving on 31/10. Instead, he seems to be setting himself up for a massive fall, from which I doubt he could recover if we don’t leave.
 

flecc

Member
Oct 25, 2006
53,203
30,604
I would have thought he would be moderating his language by now, softening the Brexiters up for the disappointment on not leaving on 31/10. Instead, he seems to be setting himself up for a massive fall, from which I doubt he could recover if we don’t leave.
He's setting himself up for both endings, both saying we'll leave on the 31st yet saying he'll comply with the Benn act and apply for an extension if we can't.

So with either conclusion he'll claim he told us so.

It's necessary to realise we are dealing with someone who has no shame and has utter contempt for all other people, with no exceptions.
.
 

50Hertz

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 2, 2019
2,199
2,403
He's setting himself up for both endings, both saying we'll leave on the 31st yet saying he'll comply with the Benn act and apply for an extension if we can't.

So with either conclusion he'll claim he told us so.

It's necessary to realise we are dealing with someone who has no shame and has utter contempt for all other people, with no exceptions.
.
In that case, I cannot see a good outcome for him. If he asks for an extension, Brexiters will never forgive him and they will flock to Farage and split the Conservative vote in two.

The other option will be a re-heated May’s deal sold as a victory. Can’t see that getting through HoC.

Third option, ask for an extension, call an election and feed the Brexiters a good helping of further lies and BS to try and secure their vote. That one might work. They seem to keep coming back for more every time they get shat on.
 

Woosh

Trade Member
May 19, 2012
20,379
16,876
Southend on Sea
wooshbikes.co.uk
He's setting himself up for both endings, both saying we'll leave on the 31st yet saying he'll comply with the Benn act and apply for an extension if we can't.

So with either conclusion he'll claim he told us so.

It's necessary to realise we are dealing with someone who has no shame and has utter contempt for all other people, with no exceptions.
.
if I were in his shoes, I'd do like John Major did to get his Maastricht treaty done. He resigned and forced a vote of confidence.
Imagine we are on the 20-October. Johnson stands up in the HoC and tells the MPs that he is not sending the letter and if parliament does not accept to leave without a deal, he will have to resign.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Nev and flecc

50Hertz

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 2, 2019
2,199
2,403
if I were in his shoes, I'd do like John Major did to get his Maastricht treaty done. He resigned and forced a vote of confidence.
Imagine we are on the 20-October. Johnson stands up in the HoC and tells the MPs that he is not sending the letter and if parliament does not accept to leave without a deal, he will have to resign.
Won’t they just say, “fill yer boots and put the bins out at No 10 as you leave, it’s collection day tomoz.”

Someone else can send the letter. It only needs an envelope and a stamp.
 

Woosh

Trade Member
May 19, 2012
20,379
16,876
Southend on Sea
wooshbikes.co.uk
Won’t they just say, “fill yer boots and put the bins out at No 10 as you leave, it’s collection day tomoz.”

Someone else can send the letter. It only needs an envelope and a stamp.
his backers will want to make sure that we leave on WTO, what Bojo does or does not do matters not.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: flecc

50Hertz

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 2, 2019
2,199
2,403
his backers will want to make sure that we leave on WTO, what Bojo does or does not do matters not.
Am I missing something? If Bojo resigns, can’t someone else send the letter on behalf of the U.K. in order to comply with the law? I mean, how difficult can it be? The letter has been written, it only need putting in an envelope and a stamp licking.
 

Woosh

Trade Member
May 19, 2012
20,379
16,876
Southend on Sea
wooshbikes.co.uk
Am I missing something? If Bojo resigns, can’t someone else send the letter on behalf of the U.K. in order to comply with the law? I mean, how difficult can it be? The letter has been written, it only need putting in an envelope and a stamp licking.
no. A judge can send that letter in case Bojo got done in Court but a PM or the Queen will still be needed to sign the agreement.

The UK needs a head of state to send that letter. If parliament votes no to a confidence vote, it has to put up an alternative PM. Meanwhile, Bojo and his cabinet stay put.
If the rebels can't agree on a new PM before 31-October, Bojo may be out of a job but the UK will fall off the cliff in the chaos, unless parliament votes to cancel A50.
 

Zlatan

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 26, 2016
8,086
4,290
no. A judge can send that letter in case Bojo got done in Court but a PM or the Queen will still be needed to sign the agreement.

The UK needs a head of state to send that letter. If parliament votes no to a confidence vote, it has to put up an alternative PM. Meanwhile, Bojo and his cabinet stay put.
If the rebels can't agree on a new PM before 31-October, Bojo may be out of a job but the UK will fall off the cliff in the chaos, unless parliament votes to cancel A50.
Where do you learn this stuff from Woosh. Impressive.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Nev

Woosh

Trade Member
May 19, 2012
20,379
16,876
Southend on Sea
wooshbikes.co.uk
Where do you learn this stuff from Woosh. Impressive.
the last 72 hours before 01-November is important.
The Court system needs 72 hours to remove Bojo from Number 10.
If Bojo prorogues parliament in the last 4 days, who knows?
 

Advertisers