Brexit, for once some facts.

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We would be quids in if they do that very illegal practice.
unfortunately, as protest goes, blocking port traffic is not illegal.
Do you remember when truck drivers blocked traffic to and from the refineries back in 2000?
 
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The latest update on financial interests of HoC members has just been published. BJ has a 50% share in a house! But it was PP I wanted to highlight. Her impact has been amazing - rejigged the calendar!


Patel, Priti (Witham)
1. Employment and earnings
From 4 January 2019 to
34 July 2019, non-executive director of Accloud Plc, 12 Hay Hill, London W1J 8NR, a global provider of business and accounting software. I received £13,462.17 in return for a monthly commitment of approx. 20 hrs. I consulted ACoBA about this role. (Registered 18 April 2019; updated 31 July 2019)

From 1 May 2019 to 30 June 2019, Strategic Adviser, Viasat Inc, of 6155 El Camino Real, Carlsbad, California 92009, a global communications company. Expected remuneration of £5,000 a month for a commitment of approx. 5 hrs per month. (Registered 3 June 2019; updated 31 July 2019).

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmregmem/190812/Updates - 30 July - 12 August 2019.pdf
 
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Philip Hammond illustrates the problem that remainer MPs have, they want to reverse brexit while pretending they want to stop Bojo's no deal brexit.
Same with the 'people's vote' campaign. They should say clearly that they don't want brexit.
The message is confusing, giving the impression that they lie and cheat while dividing the remain camp.
It's time that remainers like Hammond should identify themselves as remainists, not soft brexiters.

 
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Can you really be that naive? do you imagine the USA is in the business of doing us any favours?
Good grief, we should bottle your optimism and sell it to broken down street walkers.

So it will be cheaper? really?
heguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/aug/13/how-a-no-deal-brexit-threatens-your-weekly-food-shop?CMP=share_btn_tw

UK reliance on EU food imports is a major risk if the country crashes out of the union
Josh Holder
Walk into any British supermarket and you will be surrounded by European products, from Italian cheeses to French wines. Around 30% of all food consumed in the UK is imported from the EU, but for some foods, such as spinach and olives, the EU is practically the UK’s sole supplier.
With Boris Johnson claiming he will take Britain out of the EU by 31 October “do or die”, the UK’s reliance on EU food is a major risk. In the event of a no-deal Brexit, the UK would be obliged under World Trade Organization rules to impose average food import tariffs of 22% and conduct product inspections, leading to delays and shortening the shelf-life of products.
Despite Brexiters’ assurances of tariffless trade, a House of Lords inquiry concluded: “… in either a ‘deal’ or ‘no-deal’ scenario, Brexit will result in some additional border checks and documentation requirements for food imported from the EU to the UK. These will increase the time it takes for food to reach shop shelves and result in additional costs.”
In 2016 more than £30.3bn of Britain’s food imports and £12.3bn of its food exports were with the EU, totalling almost £1,300 of trade every second and highlighting the scale of economic disruption on both sides if the UK crashes out without a deal.
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What the Americans will do is turn us into servile lapdogs and make us participate their foreign foreign wars like the cheaply bought mercenaries, your despicable party has turned the nation into.

Throwing off the so called "Tyranny" of the EU to be fitted with a collar, lead and a muzzle by Uncle Sam, because they threw the British poodle a chlorinated chicken.
And making us the laughing stock of the Entire world in the process.

What's Rasputin Cummings up to today? :D
we are already a vassal of the USA on foreign policy.
The vassalage is called 'special relationship'.
 

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Yes. No import tariffs! Amazing huh?
yes, it's amazing, if you own a slice of ABF.
That's the pay off for brexit supporters like ABF (British sugar), their annual bill on import duty runs in hundreds of millions.
Ordinary consumers pay higher price due to the devaluation of the Pound, British sugar beet producers will go to the wall because they cannot compete against cheap imports.
 
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yes, it's amazing, if you own a slice of ABF.
That's the pay off for brexit supporters like ABF (British sugar), their annual bill on import duty runs in hundreds of millions.
Ordinary consumers pay higher price due to the devaluation of the Pound, British sugar beet producers will go to the wall because they cannot compete against cheap imports.
Don.t bother OJ with facts
He just wants to "make America Great again"
Facts become peripheral in a cause like that.
And damage to this country and it's people part of the price of that religion
 
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Answer the question you want the person to have asked with an answer (of sorts) you were going to give regardless of what was asked.

Q Nicky in Scotland asks how the PM will preserve the United Kingdom
A Its the most important union of the last few centuries. Johnson essentially says he will talk up the union.
Q Sam in Wales asks about an election.
A Johnson says people are sick of elections. We will leave on 31 October.
Q Amy asks what Johnson will do to restore people’s faith in politics.
A We’re coming out of the EU on 31 October, people feel frustrated we haven’t left the EU.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/aug/14/boris-johnson-under-pressure-after-hammond-slams-no-deal-brexit-politics-live

My question might have gone down the lines of "When will we see the back of you and the rest of your so-called government? Can you make it in the next five minutes?" - though probably with added Anglo-Saxon.
 

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unfortunately, as protest goes, blocking port traffic is not illegal.
Do you remember when truck drivers blocked traffic to and from the refineries back in 2000?
A convoy of tractors and trailers travelling at 5 miles per hour on any main road is not illegal. , Nor is travelling say three miles and then turning off and doubling back and rejoining. Where an agricultural tractor and trailer are forbidden.. say a motorway or autoroute, the exact same effect can be achieved by large lorries .Note that all the channel ferry ports have many miles of dual carriageway on the French side ,where agricultural vehicles are free to travel.
 

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A convoy of tractors and trailers travelling at 5 miles per hour on any main road is not illegal. , Nor is travelling say three miles and then turning off and doubling back and rejoining. Where an agricultural tractor and trailer are forbidden.. say a motorway or autoroute, the exact same effect can be achieved by large lorries .Note that all the channel ferry ports have many miles of dual carriageway on the French side ,where agricultural vehicles are free to travel.
Wrong.

It is an offence to deliberately obstruct a highway, particularly by driving at an unreasonably slow pace. A prosecution could be brought for inconsiderate driving.

I don’t know what the surrender monkeys do over the channel in France. Being a treacherous and conniving nation, I would guess that they wouldn’t prosecute any illegal action which adversely affects the U.K. They’d probably throw a few migrants off motorway bridges to slow things down a bit too.
 
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Wrong.

It is an offence to deliberately obstruct a highway, particularly by driving at an unreasonably slow pace. A prosecution could be brought for inconsiderate driving.
Which only applies to the couple of trucks at the front in lanes one and two. So the police signal them off and two more take their place!

In other words there is absolutely nothing the authorities can do to prevent such a rolling or stationary blockade. In practice they don't even try, as the fuel blockades proved, since trying would only increase determination to obstruct.
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Which only applies to the couple of trucks at the front in lanes one and two. So the police signal them off and two more take their place!

In other words there is absolutely nothing the authorities can do to prevent such a rolling or stationary blockade. In practice they don't even try, as the fuel blockades proved, since trying would only increase determination to obstruct.
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They police could if they tried hard enough, instead of investigating old disk jockeys for allegedly grabbing someone’s paps 55 years ago.

They could keep pulling the lead lorries, one after another every 1/2 mile l and prosecuting the drivers. They might even make a dangerous driving charge stick and take the driver’s licence and means if making a living. That would make them this bit more clearly.
 

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Which only applies to the couple of trucks at the front in lanes one and two. So the police signal them off and two more take their place!

In other words there is absolutely nothing the authorities can do to prevent such a rolling or stationary blockade. In practice they don't even try, as the fuel blockades proved, since trying would only increase determination to obstruct.
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How do the police successfully intervene when faced with a convoy of hundreds of lorries that slow down and inevitably some of them run a "Block" by being slightly out of lane causing the fast lane to back up?
I have seen this happen many times even over a minor fender bender or breakdown.
 
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How do the police successfully intervene when faced with a convoy of hundreds of lorries that slow down and inevitably some of them run a "Block" by being slightly out of lane causing the fast lane to back up?
I have seen this happen many times even over a minor fender bender or breakdown.
You pick them off one by one and throw the Road Traffic Act book at them. Make a determined effort to take their licence, and with it their livelihood away from them. The police could even probably swing a vehicle confiscation if they thought about it. Word would soon spread and the message would hit home.
 
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You pick them off one by one and throw the Road Traffic Act book at them. Make a determined effort to take their licence, and with it their livelihood away from them. The police could even probably swing a vehicle confiscation if they thought about it. Word would soon spread and the message would hit home.
This is exactly what happened below.....they even started to impound their cars.
 
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They might even make a dangerous driving charge stick and take the driver’s licence and means if making a living.
Make a determined effort to take their licence, and with it their livelihood away from them. The police could even probably swing a vehicle confiscation if they thought about it.
You seem to live in some sort of fantasy world where the law is what you think it ought to be. Neither of these propositions is remotely possible.

Dangerous driving charges are very rarely brought since they are extremely difficult to prove in court, so lesser charges are the norm. But none of those option can be used for an alleged obstruction since no court would accept them under the law.

Nor can a driving licence be removed or a vehicle confiscation take place for any obstruction offence.

These laws, including their restricted usage, exist to be obeyed by all, including the police, the Crown Prosecution Service and the Courts.
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When the police can seize your vehicle

The police can seize a vehicle if they think it’s being used in a way that causes alarm, harassment or distress, for example careless or inconsiderate driving. I would have thought Blocking the road is a perfect example of inconsiderate driving..

 
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