Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

So was mine of course, but what else is there to do?
perhaps a punched square hole at that position would work better?

Leading inevitably to hanging chads.

Or to get back to WWII (as remainers we are supposed invariably to get there):

WOT! No brexit?

 

[50Hertz]

Blocking the road is an offence in most jurisdictions. However proceeding in a measured and safe fashion ,even if it inconveniences others, is not. Now the British Act does include inconsiderate driving.. but even were it to include driving slowly,it would only affect the driver of the lead lorry,as all the others are acting perfectly legally. However ,my point related to France,and while I am not aware of a similar law there, slow moving convoys are a recognised protest method, so is almost certainly legal.
The French are no strangers to street and road protests and trade union support is very strong for this type of political action.
50 Hertz may sit and fume, but his tomatoes wont travel any faster from Spain

Wrong.

Sorry for the late reply, I’ve been out with the running club.

Allow me to educate you my little Leprechaun. I have first hand experience of this from a period of contract work I did for the police. I’ve done it, so it’s not the rambling of a part-time potato grower, a toilet engineer or a self appointed encyclopaedia.

What the police do is this. They identify where the lorry protest is. This comes from many sources. They then get behind it with a helicopter, and believe me the drivers don’t know they are there. They then collect video evidence of the manner of driving, unnecessary slow driving, needles and erratic speed variations, repeatedly drifting into lane three, that sort of thing. The helicopter crews also collect evidence of the disruption caused. ANPR camera evidence will also allow the police to determine which vehicles drifted up behind the convoy and became unintentionally caught up and which are part of the protest.

The police then wait several miles down the motorway usually at the entrance to services and block it, filtering the lorries into the parking area. After about 10-15 mins the motorway flow is starting to return to normal. The police and vehicle examiners will then give the lorries and drives a good going over. Unfortunately, this takes hours and hours and the poor lorry drivers have to wait. There are nearly always irregularities with driving hours, faults on the vehicle and it’s not rare to recover drugs. Plenty of drivers are given an NIP for careless/ inconsiderate driving and car drivers are only too willing to provide statements to supplement the video evidence. Typically a driver can expect to be detained in excess of four hours, receive an NIP, some are arrested for various offences and often the lorry is prohibited from being used until faults are remedied, which is likely to involve a costly recovery.

It’s so much agro, inconveniences, expense and risk that they don’t do it again. That’s why all recent attempts have failed and will fail.

As I said earlier, our treacherous surrender monkey friends in France probably encourage such activity if it harms the U.K.

Now back to your potatoes.

 

[flecc]

I have first hand experience of this from a period of contract work I did for the police. I’ve done it, so it’s not the rambling of a part-time potato grower, a toilet engineer or a self appointed encyclopaedia.

And I'm posting from two decades of working for and against the police and subsequent involvement in many court cases in every level of court in this land, from juvenile to Old Bailey.

All you've done is thrown in many different incidental offences irrelevant to obstruction to try to disprove what is being posted about the reality of that minor offence. And you've had no proof for your claims of lost driving licences or confiscated trucks because no such proof exists for obstruction.

Yes, those who are pulled off the road are inconvenienced, but those who aren't guilty of any incidental offence are commonly sent on their way without any penalty, just a ticking off. I refer you back to the fuel blockades and the helplessness of the police at that time. It's about scale, when the scale is big enough the police cannot cope.
.

 

[Danidl]

Wrong.

Sorry for the late reply, I’ve been out with the running club.

Allow me to educate you my little Leprechaun. I have first hand experience of this from a period of contract work I did for the police. I’ve done it, so it’s not the rambling of a part-time potato grower, a toilet engineer or a self appointed encyclopaedia.

What the police do is this. They identify where the lorry protest is. This comes from many sources. They then get behind it with a helicopter, and believe me the drivers don’t know they are there. They then collect video evidence of the manner of driving, unnecessary slow driving, needles and erratic speed variations, repeatedly drifting into lane three, that sort of thing. The helicopter crews also collect evidence of the disruption caused. ANPR camera evidence will also allow the police to determine which vehicles drifted up behind the convoy and became unintentionally caught up and which are part of the protest.

The police then wait several miles down the motorway usually at the entrance to services and block it, filtering the lorries into the parking area. After about 10-15 mins the motorway flow is starting to return to normal. The police and vehicle examiners will then give the lorries and drives a good going over. Unfortunately, this takes hours and hours and the poor lorry drivers have to wait. There are nearly always irregularities with driving hours, faults on the vehicle and it’s not rare to recover drugs. Plenty of drivers are given an NIP for careless/ inconsiderate driving and car drivers are only too willing to provide statements to supplement the video evidence. Typically a driver can expect to be detained in excess of four hours, receive an NIP, some are arrested for various offences and often the lorry is prohibited from being used until faults are remedied, which is likely to involve a costly recovery.

It’s so much agro, inconveniences, expense and risk that they don’t do it again. That’s why all recent attempts have failed and will fail.

As I said earlier, our treacherous surrender monkey friends in France probably encourage such activity if it harms the U.K.

Now back to your potatoes.

You miss the point again and again. The police, even in the UK operate with the publics goodwill,so general protests , even if strictly illegal are usually allowed to continue. In a few cases ,eg the 1980s miners strikes, the police were instructed to be heavy handed.
Now any talk about British motorway traffic is basically irrelevant, the trucks need to get there first. And there are plenty of opportunities for Bouchons in France,..which is where the discussion was centred.
By the way I like potatoes, they agree with me, particularly the French Princess variety which take less than 5 minutes in the microwave...

 

[Zlatan]

Seems rather confrontational for remainers to be promoting illegal activity. Then again its not uncommon on this forum.
All be pleased to know my proceedure has gone well, sat in hospital bed now. Unfortunately my blood pressure has dropped to a dangerous level. Thought posting, arguing on here might help alleviate it, well elevate it I suppose.I, m sure OG or Flecc will be along to help get it up. Now there, s a phrase,I never thought I, d write.

Take care all.

 

[flecc]

All be pleased to know my proceedure has gone well, sat in hospital bed now.

Delighted to learn this Zlatan, you have my sincere best wishes for a speedy recovery to a high level of health.

Don't worry too much about the low blood pressure, that has its good sides such as not triggering dangerous loose blood clots. With my heart problem I've seen a low of 47 over 36 and at a different time a systolic high of 196 which shocked me so much I didn't note the diastolic!

One day I'll let the mechanics loose on it, but for the moment I'm not bothering while functioning ok most of the time.
.

 

[Zlatan]

Delighted to learn this Zlatan, you have my sincere best wishes for a speedy recovery to a high level of health.

Don't worry too much about the low blood pressure, that has its good sides such as not triggering dangerous loose blood clots. With my heart problem I've seen a low of 47 over 36 and at a different time a systolic high of 196 which shocked me so much I didn't note the diastolic!

One day I'll let the mechanics loose on it, but for the moment I'm not bothering while functioning ok most of the time.
.

Thanks Flecc
Hope things are good with you. Blame my drugs. Sorry. (I originally replied thinking it was my old mate OG)
Take care.

 

[Fingers]

Just as only a fraction of the people who supported Margaret Thatcher could be called Thatcherite, voting remain is not enough to make you a remainist. Remainists are the people who keep bringing the conversation back to Brexit. They point out that the referendum was only ever meant to be advisory, and insist that another one is just around the corner. They go on protests. They have strong opinions about Guy Verhofstadt and Sabine Weyand. They worry about chlorinated chicken. They have acquired detailed knowledge of electoral law and can list the leave campaign’s violations. They light up at any mention of the 2012 Olympics. They wonder what Orwell would have made of all this. They hang the EU flag in their windows



This is written for the nuts on here.

‘Loud, obsessive, tribal’: the radicalisation of remain

The long read: They hate Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn. They no longer trust the BBC. They love civil servants, legal experts and James O’Brien. And now, consumed by the battle against Brexit, hardcore remainers are no longer the moderates

www.theguardian.com

 

[Fingers]

Thanks Flecc
Hope things are good with you. Blame my drugs. Sorry. (I originally replied thinking it was my old mate OG)
Take care.

You will outlive Keith Richards

Happy for you mate. X

 

[Danidl]

Just as only a fraction of the people who supported Margaret Thatcher could be called Thatcherite, voting remain is not enough to make you a remainist. Remainists are the people who keep bringing the conversation back to Brexit. They point out that the referendum was only ever meant to be advisory, and insist that another one is just around the corner. They go on protests. They have strong opinions about Guy Verhofstadt and Sabine Weyand. They worry about chlorinated chicken. They have acquired detailed knowledge of electoral law and can list the leave campaign’s violations. They light up at any mention of the 2012 Olympics. They wonder what Orwell would have made of all this. They hang the EU flag in their windows



This is written for the nuts on here.

‘Loud, obsessive, tribal’: the radicalisation of remain

The long read: They hate Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn. They no longer trust the BBC. They love civil servants, legal experts and James O’Brien. And now, consumed by the battle against Brexit, hardcore remainers are no longer the moderates

www.theguardian.com

Interesting .. a group of people looking for religion and a cause.

 

[Fingers]

Interesting .. a group of people looking for religion and a cause.

It's mass hysteria is what it is.

 

[oldgroaner]

Seems rather confrontational for remainers to be promoting illegal activity. Then again its not uncommon on this forum.
All be pleased to know my proceedure has gone well, sat in hospital bed now. Unfortunately my blood pressure has dropped to a dangerous level. Thought posting, arguing on here might help alleviate it, well elevate it I suppose.I, m sure OG or Flecc will be along to help get it up. Now there, s a phrase,I never thought I, d write.

Take care all.

Glad to hear you are on the mend, and by the way remainers on here are not promoting illegal activity, just making observations.

 

[oldgroaner]

This is written for the nuts on here.

And consequently I hope you find it beneficial.
How is "Brexit on Earth" coming on?
And someone has given you a new "buzzword"
Have you been reading Guido Fawkes again?
https://order-order.com/2018/11/26/piers-corbyn-calls-resignation-remainist-mps/

Reading too much of that sort of stuff will they say make your eyes go funny

 

[Woosh]

This is written for the nuts on here.

the article is a long read but aso pretty accurate depiction of remainists on here.
I particularly like this bit:

A woman asked what to do when someone cited sovereignty as a reason for leaving the EU, no matter the economic costs. “I don’t understand it,” she said.

 

[oyster]

It is obvious that we must continue to accept EU food standards simply because of our need to import food from the EU.

The article below shows that any US deal will force us to accept USA standards.

When two sets of standards are both in force, inevitably we will end up accepting the lower of the two. You cannot impose one set of standards on EU imports and another on USA imports. Lowest common denominator rules.

If you look at food exports, we will have to abide by the higher of the two sets in order to be able to flexibly export to EU or USA, depending on things like demand, rather than producing specific EU and USA foods separately.

UK must accept US food standards in trade deal, says farm chief

The UK must accept US food standards as part of any future trade deal with Washington, the head of America's farming lobby has said.

Zippy Duvall, head of the American Farm Bureau, said US farmers were keen to trade with their British "friends".

But he said fears over practices such as washing chicken in chlorine and using genetically modified (GM) crops were not "science-based".

The US has said the UK will be "first in line" for a trade deal after Brexit.

But some fear the UK will have to compromise on standards currently enshrined in EU law in order to secure a deal with Washington.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49353220

 

[Woosh]

The article below shows that any US deal will force us to accept USA standards.

There is still no prospect that the UK leaves EU standard, even if we actually leave.
We'll need a transition period, in which the priority is a deal with the EU, then the USA.
There is no guarantee of us leaving either.

 

[oyster]

There is still no prospect that the UK leaves EU standard.
We'll need a transition period, in which the priority is a deal with the EU, then the USA.

If, for example, the UK imports chlorinated chicken (as just one example), I can see the EU being very wary over anything they might want to import from the UK which contains chicken. The obvious thing would be for the EU to try to stop any chicken-containing imports from the UK. Even if that cannot be achieved by use of the law, the population of EU27 might choose to avoid UK imports.

As this process spreads across the various foods and regulations, I suggest EU imports of UK foods will drop further and further. There might be some specific areas which are not affected very much, or at all, but all too many will be impacted.

 

[daveboy]

If, for example, the UK imports chlorinated.

Even if that cannot be achieved by use of the law, the population of EU27 might choose to avoid UK imports.

By the same reasoning, The population of the UK might choose not to buy USA chlorinated chicken....If they cant sell it, we won't import it.

 

[oyster]

By the same reasoning, The population of the UK might choose not to buy USA chlorinated chicken....If they cant sell it, we won't import it.

So long as it is properly marked and people can afford not to eat it...

I am not aware that we have any plans for compulsory marking. Especially not in restaurant and takeaway outlets.

 

[daveboy]

So long as it is properly marked and people can afford not to eat it...

I am not aware that we have any plans for compulsory marking. Especially not in restaurant and takeaway outlets.

Takeaways......Flipping eck...When they tested Lamb dishes half of them had no lamb in them.