Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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The technology is already here. It’s being used in Switzerland.
But the Swiss Germanic civil behaviour isn't present, the point made by Danidl in respect of the washed diesel oil.

Aided by the little people, those rascally Irishmen would run rings round any technology.
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50Hertz

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But the Swiss Germanic civil behaviour isn't present, the point made by Danidl in respect of the washed diesel oil.

Aided by the little people, those rascally Irishmen would run rings round any technology.
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That’s a function of soft prison sentencing. The potential penalty makes the risk to reward ratio viable, as it is in many other areas of crime. Like the border problem, this crime problem also has a solution.
 

flecc

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That’s a function of soft prison sentencing. The potential penalty makes the risk to reward ratio viable, as it is in many other areas of crime. Like the border problem, this crime problem also has a solution.
That's very old fashioned thinking, proven to not only fail but achieve the opposite.

It's what lead to our prison population multiplying eight times from a relatively stable 11,000 to peak at 88,000, coupled with a very large increase in crimes. That happened in less than half of my lifetime.

So we backed off, still issuing ridiculously long sentences but prisoners only having to serve half with good behaviour. But of course that didn't work, since as usual, once the damage was done, reversal wasn't so simple so we are stuck with a large prison population and high crime.

It's about escalation, and gun crime is related to this. Arm the police and the criminals respond with arms. Sentence savagely and the criminals become more determined and ruthless, it's in human psychological nature. All this and more has long been understood in criminology, but sadly too many among our politicians think as you do and make matters worse.
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Danidl

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The technology is already here. It’s being used in Switzerland.
No...
It doesn't test animals or plants. If it were trivial it would not have been contentious. The situation with Switzerland is that it has well established treaties with the EU, and very important has no major sea port. ..There is a limited amount of goods you can ship by air.
 

OxygenJames

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no just looks that way
The way I look at it her timing is way off. You can't just jump on the 'free speech' bandwagon to excuse this stuff. People have a responsibility. Young girls getting acid attacked in nightclubs every weekend - and she's making jokes about it. Given the times we live in right now - I just do not find it funny.
 

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Make even more outrageous lies than Farage? and totally ignore anything but personal ambition?well that is certainly a qualification if you want to be PM and destroy the Conservative Party in the process.
No. Boris will get a Brexit of sorts through - then call an election and beat Corbyn. That is what is going to happen. You heard it here first.
 
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I get the impression Boris is being hustled into the worlds worst job by the others making statements guaranteed to sink their chances'
Here is Rory making his play

"If I become Prime Minister I will introduce National Citizen Service - universal - for every young person. Purpose. Character. Coming together across the United Kingdom. "

There that should do it!

I sent him an encouraging tweet
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Replying to @[B]RoryStewartUK[/B]

"And there I was thinking you were serious! I notice how Boris is being hustled into number 10 by the others admitting things to ensure that they don't get the job? Well done Rory. Let Boris take the Blame for Brexit! this is like a recruiting drive for Kamikaze pilots!"
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He has gone up in my estmation, clearly he's not as daft as he looks!
I like the man (Rory I mean). And he could even beat Corbyn. But I can't see him dealing with Farage. And right now that's what has to happen.

Whatever transpires he is placing himself in contention for the next leadership battle once Boris steps down (whenever that is).
 
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No...
It doesn't test animals or plants. If it were trivial it would not have been contentious. The situation with Switzerland is that it has well established treaties with the EU, and very important has no major sea port. ..There is a limited amount of goods you can ship by air.
The Swiss are masters of smuggling and unsavoury practice. Look at all that Nazi gold they still take care of and the stolen artwork from the Jews. The EU can never contain the Swiss, so the Irish border should be a easy.
 

OxygenJames

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they knew our Parliament was divided and that TM had not got the backbone or the support needed to pursue a stronger line
Right. And now they've created Boris as the leader. And they will do the deal with him because they want us out now - they've had enough of all this.

Then we'll have a GE - and all those Farage supporters will flock back to the Torys and Labour will be blown out of the water.
 

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But the Swiss Germanic civil behaviour isn't present, the point made by Danidl in respect of the washed diesel oil.

Aided by the little people, those rascally Irishmen would run rings round any technology.
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I have theories regarding the washed diesel, some of which do not reflect well on the British and Indeed Irish Governments. DERV is just a diesel with a coloured dye added, red in the UK, green in Ireland.
The problem of washed Diesel could be overcome with the stroke of a pen. Remove the preferential treatment reduced duty for agricultural diesel. Give tax allowences for hours of tractor usage,using manufacturers consumption rates .These machines have hours of use meters. The Agricultural inspectorate are very good at these figures. Ditto for the construction sector and other legitimate users..it can be done as part of their normal tax returns.
So why not do it?. My theory is that it was a pension pot for retired gunmen. Obviously the Governments could not pay off pensions to people who had been actively engaged,and who were now incapable of honest work.. so a limited amount of smuggling might be tolerated.
 
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Danidl

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The Swiss are masters of smuggling and unsavoury practice. Look at all that Nazi gold they still take care of and the stolen artwork from the Jews. The EU can never contain the Swiss, so the Irish border should be a easy.
Sorry, not going into the Racist quagmire.
 

OxygenJames

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Trying to pass the blame yet again? Will you never learn? The blame is entirely the property of people who voted to leave, no one else, leave are in the position of power yet they can't pull out off, it's time you stopped making ludicrous attempts to avoid the blame.
A very shallow analysis. The cause of our woes runs much much deeper than the fact that 17.4m people decided to vote leave when given the choice.
 
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I have theories regarding the washed diesel, some of which do not reflect well on the British and Indeed Irish Governments. DERV is just a diesel with a coloured dye added, red in the UK, green in Ireland.
The problem of washed Diesel could be overcome with the stroke of a pen. Remove the preferential treatment reduced duty for agricultural diesel. Give tax allowences for hours of tractor usage,using manufacturers consumption rates .These machines have hours of use meters. The Agricultural inspectorate are very good at these figures. Ditto for the construction sector and other legitimate users..it can be done as part of their normal tax returns.
So why not do it?. My theory is that it was a pension pot for retired gunmen. Obviously the Governments could not pay off pensions to people who had been actively engaged,and who were now incapable of honest work.. so a limited amount of smuggling might be tolerated.
Sounds like an excellent idea.
 
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flecc

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I have theories regarding the washed diesel, some of which do not reflect well on the British and Indeed Irish Governments. DERV is just a diesel with a coloured dye added, red in the UK, green in Ireland.
The problem of washed Diesel could be overcome with the stroke of a pen. Remove the preferential treatment reduced duty for agricultural diesel. Give tax allowences for hours of tractor usage,using manufacturers consumption rates .These machines have hours of use meters. The Agricultural inspectorate are very good at these figures. Ditto for the construction sector and other legitimate users..it can be done as part of their normal tax returns.
So why not do it?. My theory is that it was a pension pot for retired gunmen. Obviously the Governments could not pay off pensions to people who had been actively engaged,and who were now incapable of honest work.. so a limited amount of smuggling might be tolerated.
It would certainly help, but not completely solve the problem, since marine diesel for commercial use also has reduced duty rates and is dyed.
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Give tax allowences for hours of tractor usage,using manufacturers consumption rates .
Doesn't cover usage such as grain dryers. Nor all the non-agricultural uses (construction, engines for chillers on HGVs, etc.).

Isn't it about time we had nice clean electric tractors?
 

flecc

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Isn't it about time we had nice clean electric tractors?
Far better than i.c engines for low end torque, but the corresponding high consumption could be a problem for day long work at peak times of 12 or more hours working.

Large battery hybrid would be a solution, most work done on electric, but that would greatly increase tractor prices.
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