Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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No, its far more sinister than that, OG says it is.
You have to admire his dedication to thread and his cause. I think he wants Brexit cancelled, Trump shot, you and I sent to a gulag. He never actually says what he, d replace anything with, he, s rather like the Wild Bunch. When asked what they were protesting against..
"what have you got?"
No idea who he wants in charge or even which party.
He only tells us what he doesnt want. Sounds like my grandkids at tea time.
You cant actually criticise somebody who has no affiliation or policies they want implemanting. Its a clever strategy. He, s against everything. He, s got to be right sometimes. Oh, he likes EU. But thats rather misdirected and rather pointless. We need somebody to run country. EU cant and wouldnt. Danidl has all answers. He is very smart you know.
And just who do you want running the country?
None of you leave fans have any idea do you?
 

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It was a very interesting exercise...well interesting for being at work...to actually follow up his nonsense and try and boil down his point.

Couldn't do it. Turns out he hasn't got one!

Bluster and nonsense with a sprinkling of lies.
Except that you did nothing of the sort, just made your usual silly remarks
 

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Yours is completely different. The NHS is not for sale and that is what I called nonsense on.
It's been chipped away at - when I worked at my local hospital I saw the local laundry services were contracted out to a private company miles away, as well as cleaning and catering services. Labour ran with private financing of hospitals through PFI. Virgin Care is a private provider of services to the National Health Service in England...

Mr Trump waded in with "When you're dealing with trade, everything's on the table - so the NHS or anything else". So he was casting an eager eye previewing what's potentially up for grabs in the UK while in disarray with Brexit from his trusted advisors i.e. Nigel Farage has said private health companies should “relieve the burden” on the NHS... to be replaced by a system of private health insurance within 10 years.

Not providing enough information is a Trump trait - its another version of him being so ambiguous that he can claim that he was on whatever side of an issue that he wants to be. He literally has been for and against the same issue in the same tweet before, and then doesn't clarify which position is the final one he is taking.

Trump visit: Could US companies run NHS services after Brexit?
 

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Happy for Gove to be done for - so long as Johnson doesn't get a boost. (Or even an even break.)

Happily, BBC news just showed BJ admitting cocaine from quite a few years ago on HIGNFY - but has now denied it. Which necessarily confirms he lied. Either then or now. (Or quite likely, both - and all the time in between.)

It's going to come down between to Eton boys.

Rory or Boris.

I can promise you both in their own ways boil down to the same person.
 

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It's been chipped away at - when I worked at my local hospital I saw the local laundry services were contracted out to a private company miles away, as well as cleaning and catering services. Labour ran with private financing of hospitals through PFI. Virgin Care is a private provider of services to the National Health Service in England...

Mr Trump waded in with "When you're dealing with trade, everything's on the table - so the NHS or anything else". So he was casting an eager eye previewing what's potentially up for grabs in the UK while in disarray with Brexit from his trusted advisors i.e. Nigel Farage has said private health companies should “relieve the burden” on the NHS... to be replaced by a system of private health insurance within 10 years.

Not providing enough information is a Trump trait - its another version of him being so ambiguous that he can claim that he was on whatever side of an issue that he wants to be. He literally has been for and against the same issue in the same tweet before, and then doesn't clarify which position is the final one he is taking.

Trump visit: Could US companies run NHS services after Brexit?

Blair was ironically the biggest scum bag in this.

I’m not arguing you are wrong. But here we are.

I had an Addison Lee driver tell me this evening that they are employed by the ambulance service to transport patients.

Go figure

It’s disgusting. But I guess.....I hope someone has crunched the numbers and seen it’s cheaper. Here we are. If I was in charge I would have a quality zsar. And once these vultures fell below the quality threshold they would fined so punitively it wouldn’t be worth them trying it on.

This whole the NHS is for sale misses the point. It was up for grabs two decades ago. What we need now is a strong ombudsman. Sure. It does make sense to outsource stuff but if you **** up it will cost you your business.

So don’t take it lightly.

Use capitalism for us. You lose big time if you **** up.
 

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Rory - as nice as he is would be IMHO crushed like May between Brexit's rock & hardplace

BJ - God help us!

Checked to see if any Tory hopefuls spoke any foreign languages as it could be handy when visiting EU HQ as I was impressed with ability of EU politicians i.e Verhofstadt and Barnier to flit easily between different languages - and Rory seems the only one "studied 10 other languages, including Latin, Greek, Indonesian and Serbo-Croat. (plus Farsi)"

Gove: many moons ago had proposed compulsory teaching languages inc Latin in schools from 5- 16, but can'f find if he learnt any.

BJ: racist and homophobic language.... "They love it when I talk French." ... "Sensing that it's not going too well, Wilson suggests: "It might be best just to speak to the headlines in French." - 'Astonishing, it's the real life The Thick of It,'


And a credit as a party trick he can recite by heart the opening forty lines of Homer’s Iliad in ancient Greek

Undone somewhat by reciting Kipling poem in Mynomar

Jeremy Hunt: English language teacher in Japan. has been taking lessons in Mandarin since 2009. Speaks Japanese and French.

Andrea Leadsom: Smoked weed and that's about it

Sajid Javid: Nothing apparent but likely Pakistani from upbringing.

Dominic Raab: His father was a Czech refugee of the holocaust aged six, and he has a Brazilian wife. Mr Raab agreed that language tests improve community cohesion. Nothing apparent if he speaks any foreign languages.

Penny Mordaunt: irst ever government minister to use British Sign Language in Parliament.
 
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I hope someone has crunched the numbers and seen it’s cheaper.
Well when I was there the catering and domestic staff employed by private contracter to the hospital were mainly EU (young Polish and Eastern European) some even with degrees working very hard and conscientiously, keeping their heads down for minumum wage working all hours - but unfortunately past few years they've been made to feel most unwelcome so don't rely on them.
 

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Apparently the Conservatives have problems in their local associations too
In the independent
Dominic Grieve asked by local Tory party to apply for readoption
MP for Beaconsfield, who supports UK remaining in EU, lost confidence vote in March
In a statement posted on Twitter, the Beaconsfield constituency Conservative Association chairman, Jackson Ng, said: “I understand that there are feelings of disappointment, anger and frustration from many of our membership.
Leaked emails show infiltration fears before attempt to oust Grieve
“Therefore, following this evening’s special general meeting and on behalf of our executive council, I have immediately written to our MP, Dominic Grieve QC, to formally request that he now submits a written application to us to seek his readoption as our parliamentary candidate for the next general election expected in 2022.”
 

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Happy for Gove to be done for - so long as Johnson doesn't get a boost. (Or even an even break.)

Happily, BBC news just showed BJ admitting cocaine from quite a few years ago on HIGNFY - but has now denied it. Which necessarily confirms he lied. Either then or now. (Or quite likely, both - and all the time in between.)
He didn't admit to taking it, He said he sneezed and blew it away , It would be quite easy for him to say it was a joke because he was laughing when he said it and so was everybody else on the show. He was playing the fool, or maybe he wasn't playing.
 
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Some people have short memories
In the Telegraph
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Scrapping VAT and introducing a lower, simpler sales tax will help Britain to prosper

Michael Gove

Will it really?
And in the Daily Mail they make this point
"Michael Gove faces US travel ban because his cocaine confession breaks visa rules - as he vows to scrap VAT "

That could prove something of a problem for a potential Prime Minister,and he isn't the only one, is he?
Do people like PMs actually have to apply for visas when visiting countries on official visits?

Did Trump have to apply for a UK visa for his recent trip here? (If yes, did we really grant him one?)

Not saying that this makes it all right. Just a protocol question.
 

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He didn't admit to taking it, He said he sneezed and blew it away , It would be quite easy for him to say it was a joke because he was laughing when he said it and so was everybody else on the show. He was playing the fool, or maybe he wasn't playing.
Being in possession and having intent to take a controlled drug are themselves offences.
 

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no price control on drugs
The situation with regard to one medicine, liothyronine, highlights a major problem with no price controls. It went from about £24 (for 28 x 20 microgram tablets) round 7 years ago, to about £240 now. It achieved this by de-branding - i.e. changing from a branded medicine to generic.

There are no price controls on generic medicines on the assumption that if one company charges too much, others will compete resulting in a lower price. But what has actually happened is that two other companies have seen the huge profit and joined the original company at the same massively inflated price.

That is, they appear to act as a concert party resulting in an oligopoly.

"The market", "market forces", etc., simply do not work. Despite a CMA investigation (seemingly ongoing but stalled).

The same medicine, albeit in 25 microgram tablets, costs a few cents over a euro in Greece. Even in Germany, a premium brand only costs about £31 for 100 tablets.
 

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Agreed. Time to legalise cocaine? Does prohibition produce anything other than crime.
Narcos is a fantastic crime drama and shows the situation in a cruel hard light. Folk spending disposable income on illegal recreatiinal drugs are ruining many lives, the counter side of that is our unbelievable discrepency world wide in incomes is also fueling the cartels and their industry.
Gove should know better, I actually wonder if its all lies.??? He probably snorted talcum powder..
I would like to think that we could all be trusted with any drugs - medical or recreational - without the system of controls that exist. That includes the whole prescription system as well as criminal law.

Trouble is, I don't believe it possible. There are too many drugs which have impacts that people simply cannot appreciate enough to make their own choices and use responsibly.

I can't help imagining abuse of Fentanyl. There are big dangers from used patches being touched inadvertently. It could be a powerful weapon to coerce others - no need to beat them up or shoot them, just slap on a patch or two.

In my own little niche, I know of considerable numbers of people who import their own medicines (which would otherwise be prescription-only). They do this because of the incompetence of the medical establishment in many areas. Example - B12 injections which are often limited to one every three months when patients might need them more often.

I don't want that to stop. But I don't want dintrophenyl to be available at all.
 

oldgroaner

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No, its far more sinister than that, OG says it is.
You have to admire his dedication to thread and his cause. I think he wants Brexit cancelled, Trump shot, you and I sent to a gulag. He never actually says what he, d replace anything with, he, s rather like the Wild Bunch. When asked what they were protesting against..
"what have you got?"
No idea who he wants in charge or even which party.
He only tells us what he doesnt want. Sounds like my grandkids at tea time.
You cant actually criticise somebody who has no affiliation or policies they want implemanting. Its a clever strategy. He, s against everything. He, s got to be right sometimes. Oh, he likes EU. But thats rather misdirected and rather pointless. We need somebody to run country. EU cant and wouldnt. Danidl has all answers. He is very smart you know.
Send you to a gulag? good heavens no!
Having to show your bare backsides in the local Co-op supermarket window for a couple of weekends will suffice
As to this
"No idea who he wants in charge or even which party."

You know very well I set out the sort of Government we need long ago on this forum, but you choose to forget
A permanent coalition where all MP's are members of the Government
 
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That could prove something of a problem for a potential Prime Minister,and he isn't the only one, is he?
"TORIES CONFESS TO DRUGS SHOCKER"

20 yrs old > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2000/oct/09/thatcher.drugsandalcohol

Ann Widdecombe, the shadow home secretary, was yesterday forced to backtrack on her pledge of zero tolerance against cannabis users after seven shadow cabinet members mocked the policy by admitting they had used the drug in their youth.

In an extraordinary day of criticism from some of her most senior Tory colleagues, Miss Widdecombe admitted she had erred in presenting her much maligned pledge to have no truck with drug users.
 

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