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oldgroaner

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When the call comes from the Queen I shall ask you all to form my unelected cabinet, even and including the one I keep locked in the broom cupboard.
And as a bonus you can pick your own ministries, what could be more democratic than that?
Think of the expense saved by not having all that elections nonsense, and we shall operate on the same system of Freebies as the house of Lords
I suggest we call our selves
The Dunvotin Party using the Democratic principle exemplified by Lord Nigel in the EU elections
One man one vote (Him being the man and having the one vote)
Are you with me?
 
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oldgroaner said:
When the call comes from the Queen I shall ask you all to form my unelected cabinet, even and including the one I keep locked in the broom cupboard.
And as a bonus you can pick your own ministries, what could be more democratic than that?
Think of the expense saved by not having all that elections nonsense, and we shall operate on the same system of Freebies as the house of Lords
I suggest we call our selves
The Dunvotin Party using the Democratic principle exemplified by Lord Nigel in the EU elections
One man one vote (Him being the man and having the one vote)
Are you with me?
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Minister of ale please.
 
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Boris makes his first mistake
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Boris Johnson vows to take Britain out of the EU on October 31 'deal or no deal'
His lack of judgement will doom him, now he has blown the support of the Farage faction before he even gets the job!

The Brexit faithful don't want to hear about any deal, do they?
Now all a contender has to do is rule one out to wrong foot him.

The roar will go up for lord Nigel, and he won't even want the job!
And the Express has this amusing twist
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BREXIT SHOCK: Brussels to welcome Boris' clarity – It's NO DEAL or NO EU EXIT
BORIS Johnson would be welcomed as Britain’s next prime minister because he brings clarity to the Brexit process, according to a senior EU diplomat.

In the words of the Song (Which could be his parting anthem)

"Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood."

The reader's comments are somewhat unhappy!
 
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oldgroaner said:
BORIS Johnson would be welcomed as Britain’s next prime minister because he brings clarity to the Brexit process, according to a senior EU diplomat.

In the words of the Song (Which could be his parting anthem)

"Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood."

The reader's comments are somewhat unhappy!
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I watched Rory Stewart this morning on BBC News.
He didn't answer a couple of times to the question 'what would you do differently?' His reply was 'I will talk to Labour and I have no red lines'.
He will benefit from clarity, but I am afraid no red lines is sensible in debates, not enough to win elections.
 
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I agree its been shambolic since her arrival but you can hardly blame her.
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I can. She came in, all guns blazing, Brexit means Brexit, No Deal is Better than a Bad Deal and other such garbage. She over promised from the outset and set a non conciliatory tone with the people she needed help from. She weakened herself further by calling a General Election and making it entirely about how much better she was than Corbyn.

Well she wasn’t any better. She was, and still is, totally useless. She achieved absolutely nothing as Home Secretary and she achieved even less as Prime Minister.

Those tears yesterday weren’t through sorrow. They were tears of vengeful ferocious rage. Hateful woman. I hope we never see her again. Her pension should be subjected to the CARE formula. Just like the one she and others like her brought in for millions of public sector workers.
 
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oldgroaner said:
Today a rather interesting result on immigration
It has risen to over 258,000 but the number from the EU is the lowest ever
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/24/uk-government-misses-net-migration-target-for-37th-time-in-a-row

Is this one of the things people knew what they were voting for?

Brexit fails again and will continue to disappoint, even before it's here!
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The problem is that most of those 258, 000 came in through the EU. They cross into Greece and Spain, then, without significant obstacles to stop them, they work their way to UK. We need our own independent border controls to stop them.
 
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This just about sums up everything that's wrong with establishment politicians - sheer arrogance, too ashamed to even admit who he is and can't provide any arguments to routine barracking. Compare that to any of the Carl Benjamin, who will positively invite any barrackers over for a discussion because he values other people's opinions and knows that he can stand by and justify anything he has said and done himself.


Typical Carl Benjimin taking on a crowd of baying activists.
 
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vfr400 said:
The problem is that most of those 258, 000 came in through the EU. They cross into Greece and Spain, then, without significant obstacles to stop them, they work their way to UK. We need our own independent border controls to stop them.
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if they don't have an EU passport, they get stopped at the ports and airports.
If they are EU citizens, they would be counted as EU immigrants.
Are you saying that most of them ask to be allowed in as refugees?

I think the truth is straightforward: businesses need immigrants, if they don't come from the EU then businesses will sponsor applicants from elsewhere.


The number of work visas increased by 11%, the figures showed, with tier 2 (skilled) work visas increasing by 15%.
The Home Office said the removal of doctors and nurses from the tier 2 cap had led to a 62% rise in the number of sponsored applications for skilled work in the “human health and social work activities” sector.
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50Hertz said:
Well she wasn’t any better. She was, and still is, totally useless. She achieved absolutely nothing as Home Secretary and she achieved even less as Prime Minister.
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yes, she has been and still is pretty useless and may I add, over promoted. Cameron should have stayed a little longer to lead the internal debate among the tories. He knew how to handle the JRMs and the BJs, as he comes from the same background. TM attended a grammar school, not a private school. Grammar schools breed grafters, private schools breed smooth talkers. There lies the difference.
 
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