Brexit, for once some facts.

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Mainly because what he did in the first term was carry on with Ken Livingstone's Labour projects like the bike hire scheme for example.

It was only in the second term that the high costs of the changes he made to those, plus the costs and failures of his own newer projects in the second term, like the catastrophic new Routemaster bus, Garden Bridge and cable lift came to light that the truth of his utter incompetence was revealed for all to see.

He didn't stand a chance then, which is why he ran away, his usual tactic.
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Water cannon? Even TM...

The London mayor has written to the home secretary outlining plans to equip the Met Police with water cannon.

Boris Johnson wrote to Theresa May to say that he will consult the public on their views on use of the devices in "extreme circumstances".

A final decision by London policing authorities is expected in February, Mrs May would then have to decide whether to licence the machines.

But the Home Office insists it will not fund the purchase of water cannon.

The mayor is hopeful the crowd-control weapons will be available for police in London by the summer.

There are plans to buy three cannon from Germany costing £30,000 each which would be modified for use in the UK.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25656684
 
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flecc

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Water cannon? Even TM...

The London mayor has written to the home secretary outlining plans to equip the Met Police with water cannon.

Boris Johnson wrote to Theresa May to say that he will consult the public on their views on use of the devices in "extreme circumstances".

A final decision by London policing authorities is expected in February, Mrs May would then have to decide whether to licence the machines.

But the Home Office insists it will not fund the purchase of water cannon.

The mayor is hopeful the crowd-control weapons will be available for police in London by the summer.

There are plans to buy three cannon from Germany costing £30,000 each which would be modified for use in the UK.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25656684
That was one of his lesser mistakes, cost in only thousands. Most of his mistakes cost multi millions. Boris Johnson was a total disaster in everything he touched as London's Mayor.

At least his record ensures London remains determinedly Labour and equally strongly against the Brexit he promoted.

I just fear for this country if he becomes PM, not only nationally but internationally since he's viewed so negatively by most others.
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At least his record ensures London remains determinedly Labour and equally strongly against the Brexit he promoted.
the problem is all the tory hopefuls reckon they can beat JC in the next GE.
Remainers need one of the hopefuls to plead the remain case and cause, not a deal.
 

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the problem is all the tory hopefuls reckon they can beat JC in the next GE.
Remainers need one of the hopefuls to plead the remain case and cause, not a deal.
True, but I think that's already a lost cause, unless we get a new referendum. Probably the only remainer hope now is that we return to the EU eventually.
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True, but I think that's already a lost cause, unless we get a new referendum. Probably the only remainer hope now is that we return to the EU eventually.
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JC could have given remainers a referendum.
It's now perhaps too late, the debate is so polarised that only leave on WTO is in the running.
That may suit JC's idea of state intervention but he won't be PM in his lifetime.

If WTO turns out to be as expensive as I expect then it will follow by a new government negotiating rejoin.
 

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We have the Tory Party going for a Hat Trick of Worst Prime Ministers of all time.
And almost certainly a No Deal Brexit which will seriously harm several things

The Economy
The Conservatives
The touching faith of anyone foolish enough to believe in Brexit
The Media that has rooted for this act of self destruction

And we owe it all to the internal jealousies and egotism of the Conservatives, and the appalling lack of common sense of large sections of the public
 

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JC could have given remainers a referendum.
It's now perhaps too late, the debate is so polarised that only leave on WTO is in the running.
That may suit JC's idea of state intervention but he won't be PM in his lifetime.

If WTO turns out to be as expensive as I expect then it will follow by a new government negotiating rejoin.
JC's only chance was if Theresa May called a GE in response to her deal's failure.

At 70 now, time has beaten him. Some of the post WW2 PMs originally came to that office for the first time in their 60s, but not for a very long time now. To find someone in their 70s becoming PM for the first time one has to go back around a century.

In today's world it's a somewhat younger person's job.
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JC's only chance was if Theresa May called a GE in response to her deal's failure.

At 70 now, time has beaten him. Some of the post WW2 PMs originally came to that office for the first time in their 60s, but not for a very long time now. To find someone in their 70s becoming PM for the first time one has to go back around a century.

In today's world it's a somewhat younger person's job.
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I suspect you mean a somewhat younger Villain's job.
 
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OxygenJames

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Now I now you are joking no one can makes two mistakes that big.
The Tory's were terrified of Corbyn. Then Farage appeared back on the scene. Why do you think May has finally had to go? They have to find somebody who stands a chance. They get Boris who neutralises Farage - and can go toe to toe with Corbyn. Where he will win.
 
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I can. She came in, all guns blazing, Brexit means Brexit, No Deal is Better than a Bad Deal and other such garbage. She over promised from the outset and set a non conciliatory tone with the people she needed help from. She weakened herself further by calling a General Election and making it entirely about how much better she was than Corbyn.

Well she wasn’t any better. She was, and still is, totally useless. She achieved absolutely nothing as Home Secretary and she achieved even less as Prime Minister.

Those tears yesterday weren’t through sorrow. They were tears of vengeful ferocious rage. Hateful woman. I hope we never see her again. Her pension should be subjected to the CARE formula. Just like the one she and others like her brought in for millions of public sector workers.
Well dont hold your breath waiting for next victim to be any better because they wont be, quite probably far more damaging. Just give BJ, Corbyn or Farage chance to demonstrate how bad they can be.
 

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JC's only chance was if Theresa May called a GE in response to her deal's failure.

At 70 now, time has beaten him. Some of the post WW2 PMs originally came to that office for the first time in their 60s, but not for a very long time now. To find someone in their 70s becoming PM for the first time one has to go back around a century.

In today's world it's a somewhat younger person's job.
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Irrelevant. In the current climate a 90yr old could get in if they had the popular support. Flecc you gotta chuck away that old analysis book you're using - it just doesn't apply anymore.
 

OxygenJames

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Well dont hold your breath waiting for next victim to be any better because they wont be, quite probably far more damaging. Just give BJ, Corbyn or Farage chance to demonstrate how bad they can be.
Of those three - Corbyn would be by far the worst. But I don't think he'd get half his mad-cap socialist policies through with the kind of parliament he'd probably have backing him. There would be too many dissenting voices - unless he won a significant majority on his own - and I can't see that happening.
 

OxygenJames

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Of those three - Corbyn would be by far the worst. But I don't think he'd get half his mad-cap socialist policies through with the kind of parliament he'd probably have backing him. There would be too many dissenting voices - unless he won a significant majority on his own - and I can't see that happening.
Farage would be an interesting PM. As would Boris. Corbyn would be horrible. All those self-righteous leftie types telling us how to live our lives and preaching their morality to us. No thanks.
 

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JC wants to leave. he just doesn't want to get the blame and lose votes.
He wants to get out of the EU always has its the only way he can get away from the EU's strict rules on state-sponsorship of failing industries.

He can't create his socialist paradise from within the EU - they won't let him.
 
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