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Professor Sir John Curtice has calculated how Thursday's vote would translate across Britain in the next GE:

If true, the LibDems could possibly join with the SNP, the Greens, Change UK and any other Remainers in a coalition.
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A day in the life of an MEP campaigner. This video shows all the assaults on TR. The media went along with the milkshake slipping out of the guy's hand, and he was just on his way to work when he bumped in to TR. Now you can see why I say they can't be trusted. I still can't understand why the media never mentioned the physical assaults and massive punch-up.


I think it was two out of the three that you can see at 5.25 that ended up in hospital. That big guy (doesn't look so big there but is the size of a gorilla) in the hoodie got knocked out by a slip of lad on Tommy's side.
That's strange, I saw a man approach with a phone and be pushed back by Robinson's heavy boys, and in a later shot they pursue him.
Sorry not convinced at all, and Robinson did resort to violence, so what is your point?
It looks like both sides were to blame for the violence and the police and media had been told to play it down.
Which is the the opposite of what Robinson wants, publicity to make him look a victim to the mugs that fall for his con.
Robinson deserves all the obscurity he can get, he is the sort of rabble rousing trouble maker we warned that Brexit would produce and incite violence in the disappointed.
It is so easy to stage controversial events like this after all, and he knows how to do so, and play it for all it's worth.
This sort of thing is reminiscent of the 1930's
 
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I was there. I know exactly what happened. From the time TR arrived, that gang were following him around and hassling him. It was pretty clear from the start that they were only looking for trouble. Why else were they there? TR is on an MEP campaign. The Antifa (guess) guys were just following him around everywhere he went. I'm pretty sure that their whole aim was to cause some sort of kick-off so that the left-wing media could take appropriate photos and clip the videos to twist the truth and make out that TR's side were causing trouble, which they weren't. When they couldn't get a reaction from TR by just shouting and making a nuisance of themselves, they had to resort to violence. Every instance started from their side, which you can clearly see in the video above. They definitely got what they deserved. I didn't see anyone hurt on TR's side. Despite their mainly much smaller size. TR's guys involved in the fracas looked like they could handle themselves pretty well. It was priceless to see the big guy get pole-axed. He deserved it. The Antifa (guess) ones were just a bunch of amateurs. I guess they were volunteering as martyrs to their cause. I don't condone violence, but there was only one side looking for it. They started it and they got a pasting, just like when the bad guys pick on Steven Segal.

The thing is, any member of the public that was there, knows the truth, so they'll be sharing the truth on their Facebooks, etc, which will help my cause to show to everybody that the mainstream media is completely crooked in exactly the same way as you try and twist the truth into something else.
 
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I was there. I know exactly what happened. From the time TR arrived, that gang were following him around and hassling him. It was pretty clear from the start that they were only looking for trouble. Why else were they there? TR is on an MEP campaign. The Antifa guys were just following him around everywhere he went. I'm pretty sure that their whole aim was to cause some sort of kick-off so that the left-wing media could take appropriate photos and clip the videos to twist the truth and make out that TR's side were causing trouble, which they weren't. That's why the Antifa guys had to resort to violence. Every instance started from their side, which you can clearly see in the video above. They definitely got what they deserved. I didn't see anyone hurt on TR's side. Despite their mainly much smaller size. TR's guys involved in the fracas looked like they could handle themselves pretty well. It was priceless to see the big guy get pole-axed. He deserved it. The Antifa ones were just a bunch of amateurs. I guess they were volunteering as martyrs to their cause. I don't condone violence, but there was only one side looking for it. They started it and they got a pasting, just like when the bad guys pick on Steven Segal.

The thing is, any member of the public that was there, knows the truth, so they'll be sharing the truth on their Facebooks, etc, which will help my cause to show to everybody that the mainstream media is completely crooked in exactly the same way as you try and twist the truth into something else.
Now I wonder what a coincidence it is that you happened to be there! now why was that I wonder? of all the places it is possible to be in the UK, it could hardly be an accident could it?
And how very convenient too! and you expect to be taken seriously as an unbiassed observer?
This is simply a Fan letter isn't it?

And assuming you were there, so what, how do you know the whole thing wasn't stage managed?
You don't, do you? and the tone of your comment show just how far he has managed to convince you.

Members of the public were there and presented with a staged show for their benefit.
And here you are revealing something you shouldn't have

"The thing is, any member of the public that was there, knows the truth, so they'll be sharing the truth on their Facebooks, etc, which will help my cause to show to everybody that the mainstream media is completely crooked in exactly the same way as you try and twist the truth into something else."

Sorry not buying any of it, try selling this nonsense where people are gullible. you are the one who is trying to twist the truth not me.
He really has hoodwinked you hasn't he? convinced you he is some sort of saintly victim of a big bad system and a martyr standing up for justice.
Rubbish!

Here is a thought or two for you to ponder,
We already know the mainstream media is crooked
We also know that Robinson is even worse.
Wise up! you are tilting at the wrong windmill.

Read his Rap sheet
https://www.the-round.co.uk/charges-on-tommy-robinson-rap-sheet/
 
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A day in the life of an MEP campaigner. This video shows all the assaults on TR. The media went along with the milkshake slipping out of the guy's hand, and he was just on his way to work when he bumped in to TR. Now you can see why I say they can't be trusted. I still can't understand why the media never mentioned the physical assaults and massive punch-up.


I think it was two out of the three that you can see at 5.25 that ended up in hospital. That big guy (doesn't look so big there but is the size of a gorilla) in the hoodie got knocked out by a slip of lad on Tommy's side.
I am disgusted by the actions of the police shown on that video. I am sure if the assaults had come the other way swift action would have been taken. Even if it has been edited it is clear that assaults took place. Whatever you think of his politics he has a right to campaign peacefully without being attacked. That's what makes us a free democratic country. Once the police start taking sides we are on the slippery slope towards anarchy
 
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What is worth noting he was chased by someone with a phone then had a milkshake slung at him, ah well not exactly unheard of in the world of politics. Consider this though, how long will it be before that phone becomes a knife and that drink is a bottle of oven cleaner ?
He has a great many supporters but unfortunately for him a huge amount of people hate him with a vengeance, there can only be one outcome in the long run.
As I'm fond of saying, quit while you're behind mate.
 

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Now I wonder what a coincidence it is that you happened to be there! now why was that I wonder? of all the places it is possible to be in the UK, it could hardly be an accident could it?
And how very convenient too! and you expect to be taken seriously as an unbiassed observer?
This is simply a Fan letter isn't it?

And assuming you were there, so what, how do you know the whole thing wasn't stage managed?
You don't, do you? and the tone of your comment show just how far he has managed to convince you.

Members of the public were there and presented with a staged show for their benefit.
And here you are revealing something you shouldn't have

"The thing is, any member of the public that was there, knows the truth, so they'll be sharing the truth on their Facebooks, etc, which will help my cause to show to everybody that the mainstream media is completely crooked in exactly the same way as you try and twist the truth into something else."

Sorry not buying any of it, try selling this nonsense where people are gullible. you are the one who is trying to twist the truth not me.
He really has hoodwinked you hasn't he? convinced you he is some sort of saintly victim of a big bad system and a martyr standing up for justice.
Rubbish!

Here is a thought or two for you to ponder,
We already know the mainstream media is crooked
We also know that Robinson is even worse.
Wise up! you are tilting at the wrong windmill.

Read his Rap sheet
https://www.the-round.co.uk/charges-on-tommy-robinson-rap-sheet/
I think you've lost it mate!

BTW, Cheshire Constabulary have opened a case file on the incidents ( IML 390092). Let's see who get's prosecuted.
 
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“The Conservatives have lost 1,334 councillors, with Theresa May saying voters wanted the main parties to "get on" with Brexit.”

Wide of the mark, misjudged, mistaken, out of touch, misinterpreted, not listening.......... there are no words. No words which can adequately describe the actions of this woman. Just when you think she has reached the bottom, she always manages to surprise with a new level of incompetence.

I actually laughed out loud when I read her quote on the news app. It’s unbelievable.

Seriously, her husband needs to take her somewhere to be looked at. Things aren’t right inside her nut. She kind of walks amongst us, but that’s where her connection with the reality of what’s going on around her ends.
 
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Did anybody notice this. See what he says about the economic outlook. Does it mean that we're not going to get a Brexit, or did he lie about the effects of Brexit on the economy?

"In its Quarterly Inflation Report, the Bank of England raised its UK growth forecast for this year, in part because the outlook for the global economy is a bit brighter. "

 

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I met her once [Thatcher] when she was PM, all handshakes very friendly like. She just came dashing over to me and my pal like we were the best of friends left her security behind, I don't think anyone really knew how to handle her.
I mean seriously think about it , would we really be in this exit from the EU mess with her in control...of course not.
She would have gone over to Brussels, told them how it was going to be and that's that...take it or leave it.
Don't get me wrong I'm no fan of the right and never did support her but they called her the 'Iron lady' and in many ways she was. There definitely would not have been a referendum, she'd of made sure of that!
 
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I think you've lost it mate!

BTW, Cheshire Constabulary have opened a case file on the incidents ( IML 390092). Let's see who get's prosecuted.
No I haven't lost it, everything is going as expected. This is one of the consequences of Brexit, trouble makers rise when they see encouragement, and they stage events to create publicity, it's a technique as old as time itself
Nothing original about these events
Expect more
 
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I met her once [Thatcher] when she was PM, all handshakes very friendly like. She just came dashing over to me and my pal like we were the best of friends left her security behind, I don't think anyone really knew how to handle her.
I mean seriously think about it , would we really be in this exit from the EU mess with her in control...of course not.
She would have gone over to Brussels, told them how it was going to be and that's that...take it or leave it.
Don't get me wrong I'm no fan of the right and never did support her but they called her the 'Iron lady' and in many ways she was. There definitely would not have been a referendum, she'd of made sure of that!
Thatcher was a fan of the EU by the way.
And the country wouldn't be in the parlous state it is if it wasn't for her, would it? she blew the riches from North Sea Gas that would have made us very rich.
 

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Thatcher was a fan of the EU by the way.
No, she's become Eurosceptic even before her speech to the College of Europe in 1988:

“We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them reimposed at a European level with a European superstate exercising a new dominance from Brussels.
Certainly we want to see Europe more united and with a greater sense of common purpose.
But it must be in a way which preserves the different traditions, parliamentary powers and sense of national pride in one's own country: for these have been the source of Europe's vitality through the centuries.”

She was devastated when John Major signed the Maastricht treaty. My guess she became Eurosceptic after negotiating the UK rebate in 1984.
 
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They definitely got what they deserved. I didn't see anyone hurt on TR's side. Despite their mainly much smaller size. TR's guys involved in the fracas looked like they could handle themselves pretty well. It was priceless to see the big guy get pole-axed. He deserved it. The Antifa (guess) ones were just a bunch of amateurs.
so RT's guys are the pros then?
 
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I’m just looking t the election results for my local council. We were a leave area in the referendum. In several of the wards, a UKIP (Make Brexit Happen) candidate stood. They received very few votes. I thought that was interesting because it is somewhere you can put your cross knowing that you are definitely registering a vote to leave, and not many people did it. Could this indicate a shift towards remain?

The other main party boxes were a vote for the unknown. Unlike the UKIP option, there was nowhere to definitely register a remain vote, so that may have distorted things.
 

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