Brexit, for once some facts.

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we are still a long way from eliminating tariffs and regulatory wars which got brexit stuck, leave alone real wars, famine, diseases and old age.

I watched Click on News 24 this morning. Spencer Kelly presented the issue of Huawei very well. We need a 5G antenna every 100M or so and Huawei is way ahead of the competitors. Huawei has 130,000 employees in Shenzhen, about the same as Microsoft has worldwide. The way China invests in IT, it won't take them more than a decade to overtake the USA and the EU, with or without the UK.
I think you need a bigger fortress than the EU to compete with China in a generation.
Not so, the future of China is not so secure as it appears on the surface it is good at hiding the cracks, but they are there.
 
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Not so, the future of China is not so secure as it appears on the surface it is good at hiding the cracks, but they are there.
cracks or no cracks, they can send vfr400 to the dark side of the moon! They can cope with BJ, Farage, Moogsie etc. The EU can only dream of.
 

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The way China invests in IT, it won't take them more than a decade to overtake the USA and the EU, with or without the UK.
I think you need a bigger fortress than the EU to compete with China in a generation.
We don't have to overtake or even match, we can just operate independently, even if technologically somewhat behind. I don't know the standard of living of my equal in China, nor do I need to know. It's only necessary for me to be happy with mine in this world of inequalities.

As for relative size, the ruling and emotional heart of Russia has always been in Europe, and it would be very easy for a United Europe and Russia to unite as one. Indeed this is the German political preference, which is why they've opposed the current sanctions, preferring diplomacy. The combined whole of Europe and the Russias of near a billion people would be a match for any other of the world's giants, its vast area also.

We just have to think smart, be open minded and see the possibilities.
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We don't have to overtake or even match, we can just operate independently, even if technologically somewhat behind. I don't know the standard of living of my equal in China, nor do I need to know. It's only necessary for me to be happy with mine in this world of inequalities.

As for relative size, the ruling and emotional heart of Russia has always been in Europe, and it would be very easy for a United Europe and Russia to unite as one. Indeed this is the German political preference, which is why they've opposed the current sanctions, preferring diplomacy. The combined whole of Europe and the Russias of near a billion people would be a match for any other of the world's giants, its vast area also.

We just have to think smart, be open minded and see the possibilities.
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A good point of view in many ways.

In one particular aspect, I feel that I will be very much unhappy at China having made advances not accessible to me. Healthcare.

In my particular area of experience and understanding, we are seeing so many Chinese papers on aspects of thyroid disease it is astonishing.

As you might expect, some are rubbish, but sometimes they are asking the right questions and coming up with interesting answers or directions.
 

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The Strawberry Milkshake saga rattles on...

Tommy Robinson supporter threatens to knock a teenager's teeth out for holding a milkshake at a rally

Hope everyone has a milkshake at every TR gathering :)
Firstly, are you so stupid that you think that he's just some random teenager that happened to have a milkshake standing within 20 ft of TR in the street? Go down to your town centre and see how many guys you can see walking around with milkshakes.

Secondly, the police gave no protection whatsoever at the last two venues, where milkshakes were thrown. What do you expect them to do when there's no law to support them? What would you have done - politely ask the fascists to leave? They tried that, but the fascists didn't want to go.

If you think it's OK for anyone to throw milkshakes over guys that have different opinions to yourself, I hope that someone does it to you, or maybe a sausage sandwich with lots of red sauce. See how you like it, John!
 
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I didn't know about this. Any comments?
This has only small connection to brexit. You have Le Pen in France, Salvini in Italy, Orban in Hungary too and more recently, Abascal in Spain.
it's one of the problems the EU has to deal with and it shows clearly the limit of EU's supranational power over its members.
Like other ex Soviet bloc countries, democracy in Poland is evolving. The EU functions on consensus, I suppose Poland will grow out of it in a decade or so when economic progress enhances the role of law and freedom.


why don't you tell us what you think?
 
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Firstly, are you so stupid that you think that he's just some random teenager that happened to have a milkshake standing within 20 ft of TR in the street? Go down to your town centre and see how many guys you can see walking around with milkshakes.

Secondly, the police gave no protection whatsoever at the last two venues, where milkshakes were thrown. What do you expect them to do when there's no law to support them? What would you have done - politely ask the fascists to leave? They tried that, but the fascists didn't want to go.

If you think it's OK for anyone to throw milkshakes over guys that have different opinions to yourself, I hope that someone does it to you, or maybe a sausage sandwich with lots of red sauce. See how you like it, John!
Didn't you read the rap sheet on this "Hero" of yours? he's likely to have bought the guys the milkshakes!
Anything for a publicity stunt, and pretty safe too!
Helps with pretending to be a martyr to stage incidents to convince the simple minded.
Where Robinson is concerned you are surely joking about supporting this non entity?
 
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The Strawberry Milkshake saga rattles on...

Tommy Robinson supporter threatens to knock a teenager's teeth out for holding a milkshake at a rally

Hope everyone has a milkshake at every TR gathering :)
Does Robinson buy them on a bulk basis and list the expense under Publicity? :cool:

Reminds me of a report of a Bottle being thrown in the general direction of the Queen on a state visit.
The Irish Times denounced it as the "Act of a Madman"
Giving a very logical reason.
"Only a Madman would throw a FULL bottle!" :D
 
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This has only small connection to brexit.
it's one of the problems the EU has to deal with and it shows clearly the limit of EU's supranational power over its members.
Like other ex Soviet bloc countries, democracy in Poland is evolving. I suppose it will grow out of it soon.

why don't you tell us what you think?
I'm not sure what I think really because I didn't know about it. My first thought is why I hadn't heard anything about it. It sounds fairly significant news to me, and it offers an alternative to Brexit, which is basically to claim all the benefits and stick a finger up to all their rules, sort of like what the French have been doing for years. I guess that sort of thing is just not British, or is it because those in control of UK have their own agenda? To me, it seems like the Poles kicked out their crooked globalists and set the agenda that the ordinary people wanted.

To be honest, I think we're going to see a lot more of this sort of thing until the present model of the EU collapses in on itself. I think as much as the UK government needs to sort itself out, the EU needs to do the same. I've always been saying that they're big ideas are not wanted and they won't work, so they need to have a re-think about what the EU should be and how it should work, where there would be more autonomy for the individual countries.

You will see the same rising up against the establishment in this country. It's only a matter of time, and I don't think it will be long.
 

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Rather hope there are more than 104 who would not support a stitch-up...

The Observer can reveal that 104 opposition MPs, mainly from Labour but also SNP, Change UK, Green and Plaid Cymru, have written to May and Corbyn insisting they will not back a “Westminster stitch-up” unless there is a firm guarantee that any deal is then put to a confirmatory referendum.
 

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To me, it seems like the Poles kicked out their crooked globalists and set the agenda that the ordinary people wanted.
You should check out how PIS managed to win elections.
It has more to do with forming alliances with right wing and populist parties, nothing to do with kicking out the globalists. If they did, give me some names.
 
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You should check out how PIS managed to win elections.
It has more to do with forming alliances with right wing and populist parties, nothing to do with kicking out the globalists. If they did, give me some names.
They kicked out the previous regime when they voted PIS in! I thought was would be a pretty easy thing to understand. It's the same as when Nigel Farage and his crew all get elected as MEPs, the old ones get kicked out.
 
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I see Sargon of Akkad has risen in popularity since he started his MEP campaign. He's now got approaching 1 million subscribers on Youtube, and rising fast. That's substantially more than Jeremy Corbyn's got on his channel. Here's his latest. He gets a lot of publicity from key figures. What happens is that they try and slag him off with comments like "Sargon, the Youtuber that was involved in a rape scandal", so people check out his channel to see who he is, then they like what they see. The latest one was Jeremy Corbyn denouncing him for not apologising for a joke he told. Here's Sargon's reply. I love it.

 
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