Brexit, for once some facts.
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verbally aggressive has never been his style, but his record is not too bad considering he took it from Tim Farron.
Back in 2017, LibDems got 7% of the national votes, now polling at 11% - steady progress.
Still much better than the 3% that ChUK polls.
VC will retire and be replaced after the EP vote.
I wish the next LibDems leader will go back to champion free tuition for further education.
So they can drop it at the first sign of power?
I despise the Lib Dem’s almost as much the Tories. I certainly have more contempt for them than the Tories. At least they are honest in their hate for people who don’t vote for them.
Utterly morally corrupt. They exist only as a protest vote. They stand for nothing than remain. They are literally UKIP in reverse.
You, d have expected LibDems to have attracted much more of the remain vote than they have. Afterall they are only ones clearly and openly supporting an end to Brexit.
Why havent remainers flocked to Lib Dem???
Back in 2010, the Libdems were rewarded for being right to oppose Tony Blair.
Next time, they need to be proven right again about brexit.
That is only if brexit has happened and brexit is proven a disaster.
It can be a long wait.
Labour is more likely to give remainers what they want.
I'm not in any way disappointed in what that poll shows. Why should I be? I don't understand what you're getting at.Latest YouGov poll (23-24 April)
Labour: 30%
Conservatives: 27%
BXP: 14%
LibDems: 11%
Greens: 5%
UKIP 4%
ChUK:3%
vrf400 may be disappointed with the findings.
How do you know, entire party are split and dont know what to offer.
Their latest promotional leaflet never mentioned a second ref, even tho party are in theory in favour of one.
Both labour and tory have at best inconsistent approaches to Brexit. Labour are deliberately confused over their stance, so how any voters can be swayed by their Brexit policy is beyond me. They dont have one.
To be fair only parties with known stance on Brexit are Lib dems and Bxp,which is why I see it surprising LibDem are on their normal split of vote.
You, d have thought at least some die hard remainers would be attracted by Cables stance on remaining. Seems none of them are???
https://www.libdemvoice.org/the-3-arguments-i-wish-remainers-would-stop-making-and-im-a-remainer-59812.html
Worth reading by many on here. Actually makes sense. Wont be voting LibDem though...
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If Labour don't come out on Tuesday (NEC meeting) with a definite policy for a second referendum then I will probably vote for the Lib Dems in the EU elections.
I get the impression that JC is only happy to do what members of the Labour Party want when that ties in with what he, his advisor Seumas Milne and his backer Len McCluskey want.
A massive majority of Labour Party members want a second referendum. Most Union leaders want one, its about time JC stepped up to the plate and acted like a Leader. I think if Labour came out really strong for a second referendum they could run the Brexit Party fairly close.
I think they would beat Bxp but agree with premise. JC refuses even at this stage to commit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-48078468
Well that clarifies everything.
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So there does seem to be something many of us can agree with:
More than half the public – 55% – now think it would have been better never to have held the EU referendum given the difficulties of reaching an agreement on Brexit, according to the latest Opinium/Observer poll.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/27/public-thinks-eu-referendum-was-a-bad-idea-says-poll
(Technically, I might disagree. In that the best course from 2015 onwards might have been a referendum with an overwhelming remain result.)
More than half the public – 55% – now think it would have been better never to have held the EU referendum given the difficulties of reaching an agreement on Brexit, according to the latest Opinium/Observer poll.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/27/public-thinks-eu-referendum-was-a-bad-idea-says-poll
(Technically, I might disagree. In that the best course from 2015 onwards might have been a referendum with an overwhelming remain result.)
I think Farage and David Cameron should be taken to every town and village in the Country, placed in stocks so that we can all throw mud pies at them. All their assets should then be seized and given to homeless people. These two men have cost the country tens of billions of pounds and for what?
you support TR, he's unlikely to win a seat standing as an independent or with UKIP which has polled only 4%.
they have the logical approach.
The second referendum needs to be the last solution, not the first like the LibDems have always presented.
The second referendum needs to be backed with a clear demonstration that no form of brexit has managed to win a majority at the HoC.
It will then motivate most remainers while attracting less fire from brexiters.
JC makes sure that he is seen defending brexit right to the end while voting against TM's plan all the way.
And how does that support Remainers?? Cant see the connection Woosh. Can nearly see it from JC's position, but think its flawed for him.
Labour are edging their bets, not wanting to commit to a side which might be detrimental in a GE. Not wanting to openly support leaving in case it is a mess post Brexit but neither supporting Remain.its major sitting on fence, attracting neither side but hoping against alienation.
Remaining is in essence very simple. Resind art 50,cancel Brexit and cope with back lash.
If remainers are really suited by labour their wishes must be very complicated.
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remainers can only get a second referendum when JC says he wants it too.
But thats irrelevant Woosh and besides it only adds weight to my argument.
Much as many seem to keep saying otherwise Labour are not champions of remainers. They are obviously trying to keep both sides happy. Only reason they appear to attract remain vote is because many say things such as you do, but actually there is no objective reason to support it.
The only party supporting remain is Lib Dem. As I said earlier Labour dont know and neither do Tories. (Labour delegates said as much yesterday on Newsnight)
Offering a second referendum,under sufference, even though supported by remainers, is not necessarily a remain objective. Even if they get one they could lose. The only true remain party is Lib Dem. Remain isnt wishy washy asking for a referendum or making confusing literature. Its simple. Remain.
But, remainers dont seem to actually want that. They appear to want ref2 and enjoy the confusion. If not, why not simply support Lib Dem?
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