It's mentioned by quite a few in here that you should have to have special privileges to vote. It's a regular theme.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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It's mentioned by quite a few in here that you should have to have special privileges to vote. It's a regular theme.
You call him a chalatan. Do you have evidence of that, or do you just say it because he has a different opinion to you? Can you show an example of where he's not right in the head? Of course, to make irrational claims like that, maybe someone would have to be not right in the head themself.
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That's very worrying. I see the establishment and mainstream media clamping down on free speech. I see them deplatforming people so that they're removed from opposition. It's a small step from there to disenfranchise people. If it did happen, we might not even know it.
Despite all the VPNs, and promises of anonymity, I cannot believe that the machine which initiates a message and then gets reception of that message, cannot be traced and identified. The message headers has to include the return address,and however encrypted, the decryption key has to be available at some intermediate node.
There are a couple that think the luxury of voting shouldnt be extended to women..
Back on thread again, I found the attached enlightening ,even if it was a very long time in coming. Could I also recommend Ms Hermon MP as a person worth listening to in respect of NI. ?. It is possible to be conservative without being a bigot. ....
The following taken from the BBC website....
" Conservative MP has accused the DUP of holding his party to ransom over Brexit.
Shrewsbury MP Daniel Kawczynski said he would prefer the prime minister to call a fresh Westminster election rather than renew his party's confidence and supply arrangement with the DUP.
Referring to the DUP, Mr Kawczynski said he does not "want the tail to wag the dog any longer".
He was speaking on BBC Radio Ulster's Inside Politics programme.
Mr Kawczynski, who earlier this week quit the Eurosceptic European Research Group, also said the current "national humiliation" cannot be allowed to continue.
'Sign of strength, not weakness'
He said that once the withdrawal agreement is ratified, the whole of the UK political establishment will work to avoid the Northern Ireland backstop being implemented.
The following taken from the BBC website....
" Conservative MP has accused the DUP of holding his party to ransom over Brexit.
Shrewsbury MP Daniel Kawczynski said he would prefer the prime minister to call a fresh Westminster election rather than renew his party's confidence and supply arrangement with the DUP.
Referring to the DUP, Mr Kawczynski said he does not "want the tail to wag the dog any longer".
He was speaking on BBC Radio Ulster's Inside Politics programme.
Mr Kawczynski, who earlier this week quit the Eurosceptic European Research Group, also said the current "national humiliation" cannot be allowed to continue.
'Sign of strength, not weakness'
He said that once the withdrawal agreement is ratified, the whole of the UK political establishment will work to avoid the Northern Ireland backstop being implemented.
I think there is a difference between voting in general elections and on specific issues like proportional representation and brexit.
In general elections, you don't need to be specially informed, you just vote for the party or the candidates.
On votes for single issues like proportional representation and brexit, you should be informed because of the divisive effect of the vote.
Maybe something to do with the rise of ISIS and New Zealand mosque murders and the (self) radicalisation and violent extremism occuring via the internet.
The following article from the Express echos an opinion I voiced some time ago. If linked with the comments by Mr Kawczynski, it shows a path ahead.
The Irish Govn. Has no problem with the mainland UK excluding itself from the "Backstop " . It has a major problem with the NI 6 county sub province being excluded from the Backstop.
Were the UK to have a GE ,it is quite likely that the DUP would get less seats. There is a lot of dissatisfaction with their behaviour.
The EU would have little difficulty, and there could be unanimous support if the terms of the Backstop were geographically restricted,to just include . ..?The island of Ireland .
What the DUP choose to ignore is that the Island of Ireland is already an exclusion zone , and has specialised agricultural status.
From the Express..
"Lord Howard claimed the House of Commons would support Prime Minister’s deal on the condition she renegotiates the Northern Ireland backstop. He wrote the Daily Telegraph: “Achieving this would not just win the support of Parliament but also create a coherent position around which a Conservative Party that appears dangerously disunited could begin to coalesce. The problems with the backstop arise solely out of the EU’s refusal to countenance any change to the wording of the Withdrawal Agreement."
The Irish Govn. Has no problem with the mainland UK excluding itself from the "Backstop " . It has a major problem with the NI 6 county sub province being excluded from the Backstop.
Were the UK to have a GE ,it is quite likely that the DUP would get less seats. There is a lot of dissatisfaction with their behaviour.
The EU would have little difficulty, and there could be unanimous support if the terms of the Backstop were geographically restricted,to just include . ..?The island of Ireland .
What the DUP choose to ignore is that the Island of Ireland is already an exclusion zone , and has specialised agricultural status.
From the Express..
"Lord Howard claimed the House of Commons would support Prime Minister’s deal on the condition she renegotiates the Northern Ireland backstop. He wrote the Daily Telegraph: “Achieving this would not just win the support of Parliament but also create a coherent position around which a Conservative Party that appears dangerously disunited could begin to coalesce. The problems with the backstop arise solely out of the EU’s refusal to countenance any change to the wording of the Withdrawal Agreement."
that concern should be balanced with other considerations such as citizens' responsibilities that go with the right to vote.
The issue of democratic rights can be seen in this observation: imagine all the people vote just like you (or specific group of people like anarchists) do.
Would you be happy with the resulting society, your safety and the safety of the weak and vulnerable? law and order?
Politicians like Farage do not offer plans, they offer dreams.
It's OK as long as they are not in charge but when we have a divisive issue like brexit, they can cause an awful lot of damage.
You seem like a conspiracy theorist to me, looking for any suspected establishment conspiracies against the "little man".
I'm not, I'm just a realist who's always been aware the media manipulate to fit their own agenda. Newspapers have been doing it for almost two centuries and political parties do it openly for all to see.
So I just keep an open mind and take information from multiple sources to deduce what's rationally likely to be near the truth.
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Internet has been least regulated mass media in history, from subjects mentioned to revenge porn, porn, grooming, bullying and fake news. Its way past high time something was done but what I have no idea.
We all want free speech but all forget that should be tempered with added responsibility. Its got to point now we have to form our own opinions from, wherever possible, direct evidence. Look at the character assisination of Assange. You read about Farage and would think he is Mussolini, listen to him speak and he obviously isnt.
We cant base our opinions on folk from what we read.
Both sides make opposing counterparts appear worse, its why I, m critical of Labour. They rush in giving opportunity to right wing. Look at headlines this morning, slating Labour leaders, with no positive points gained. Its lose lose.
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Allow the victims sue the platforms in civil Courts.
Simples.
If someone slanders you in a newspaper, it's easy to see what you will do. Why are internet platforms allowed to be scot-free?
I fully agree with the overall aim of your remarks. What I found somewhat disturbing in VFRs information about websites which are impossible to monitor is just how valuable a tool for lying, character assassination, propaganda, terror attacks they provide. Natural Justice demands that anyone whose good name is impunged should have right of reply and redress.
Much like you the Express, Mail, Sun & Telegraph will always be compulsively negative of Labour what ever they do or don't do - say or don't say even if Labour dished out free beer and crapped out gold eggs.
I, m not negative of labour, just the fools in charge at moment.
Labour has allowed itself to be hijacked... again...
And my negativity towards them has nothing to do with anything I read in media. Its their liasons, its their policies, its their manifesto, its their actions, its their performances in interviews and house,its their inability to oppose, its their Brexit stance,its their hypocrisy. Besides that they are fine.
Oh and the sheer stupidity of jumping in over the Assange case.(but that is specifically Abbott and Corbyn which their colleagues have also criticised)
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I think we get that by your sheer repetition - and that you find your opinion in alignment and confirmed by Tory aligned media shouldn't be a surprise to anyone esp yourself.
I used to think exactly the same. I thought he spoke a lot of sense and was one of the few public figures who was in harmony with public opinion.
However, immediately after the referendum, when he had won, got what he wanted and was handed the golden opportunity to show us how life outside the EU would improve our prospects, he disappeared. He did nothing short of a runner. I lost all faith in him at that point. The man is full of pi$$ and wind.
We never get an answer to these questions, but for old time’s sake, I’ll ask again. What is it that you expect to get out of a hard Brexit? What will Nigel Farage and a hard break from the EU result in, which will benefit you?
Even if I had more or less accepted Farage, this would have been a very strong disincentive to continue with that view:
Since April 2018, Farage has been a strong advocate for U.S. President Donald Trump to receive the Nobel Peace Prize on the basis of his attempt to bring better diplomatic relations between North Korea and South Korea as well as better diplomatic relations between North Korea and the United States. As a member of the European Parliament, Farage expressed his desire to begin an official petition for Trump to receive the award.