Brexit, for once some facts.

jonathan.agnew

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If you like, but I was thinking about independents and The Greens. If you are contemplating UKIP /Tommy Robinson, you should think carefully before voting.
look on the bright side (seriously): it's a return to the relative bonhomie of chlorine free chicken, 37 hour weeks, easy summers in Martinique. What's not to like? patriotism is an overvalued concept (and v poor compensation for being served by a pretty polish barista).
 

50Hertz

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look on the bright side (seriously): it's a return to the relative bonhomie of chlorine free chicken, 37 hour weeks, easy summers in Martinique. What's not to like? patriotism is an overvalued concept (and v poor compensation for being served by a pretty polish barista).

Ooo you are cultured bastard aren’t you? I’m ever so impressed.
 

Kudoscycles

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Could well be, but changes nothing from a legal standpoint - it`s only the `opinion` of the House
If Theresa May does not statute the voting of the house with regard to taking no deal off the table then parliament will vote against all the rest of the acts that require the WA to go into law.
No deal for practical purposes is dead,she either....
Gets her deal through
or Revokes Article 50
or Seeks an extension to Article 50
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Danidl

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The irony is delicious,if you like that kind of thing. The fundamental concern of the Brexiteers was having control.and people outside the UK not telling them what to do. ..And that is what they had and have until 29th march. Now they have ceded all control for a new revised deal to the whim of 27 people ALL not accountable to the UK . The only way for them to take back any control is to revoke A50.
Make no mistake, the Czech minister has every right to make his support on the UK conditional. And there are 26 others who may do so or bite their collective tongues. There are enough grivenances ,real and imaginary, between EU member states and each ither and particularly with the UK , to generate angst for decades.
Of course the hard Brexiteers will rejoice in this freedom,but for how long?. The Backstop arrangement and an East West border which under the WA was a distant possibility, is in effect what the new UK Customs regulations, commencing April will happen.
 

Kudoscycles

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Was it correct that Gove said in the House that the government were threatening to revoke Art50.
That threat reminds me of the Monty Python sketch,....'Oh No,not the comfy cushions'
I read somewhere that the EU are suggesting a 4 year Art 50 extension....you can see the advantage to the EU....£1 billion per month. Also in 4 years a lot more leave oldies will be dead and young remain voters will be included....Theresa May has a lot more road to kick the can....The ERG will be forgotten....in 4 years we could be halfway to a free trade deal ,they could always give us another 4 years,hehe.
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Fingers

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The irony is delicious,if you like that kind of thing. The fundamental concern of the Brexiteers was having control.and people outside the UK not telling them what to do. ..And that is what they had and have until 29th march. Now they have ceded all control for a new revised deal to the whim of 27 people ALL not accountable to the UK . The only way for them to take back any control is to revoke A50.
Make no mistake, the Czech minister has every right to make his support on the UK conditional. And there are 26 others who may do so or bite their collective tongues. There are enough grivenances ,real and imaginary, between EU member states and each ither and particularly with the UK , to generate angst for decades.
Of course the hard Brexiteers will rejoice in this freedom,but for how long?. The Backstop arrangement and an East West border which under the WA was a distant possibility, is in effect what the new UK Customs regulations, commencing April will happen.

Exciting times!
 

Woosh

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If Theresa May does not statute the voting of the house with regard to taking no deal off the table then parliament will vote against all the rest of the acts that require the WA to go into law.
No deal for practical purposes is dead,she either....
Gets her deal through
or Revokes Article 50
or Seeks an extension to Article 50
KudosDave
parliament can order the government to revoke A50 or ask for an extension.
If TM refuses, she'll face a vote of no confidence.
BTW, parliament will run a number of indicative votes next week to find out if there is a majority on brexit.
 

Fingers

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Interesting amendment by Chris Bryant has been accepted by Bercow for the vote later.

The house will have a vote whether to allow May to have a third vote on her failed deal.
 

gray198

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Boo hoo for the HoC. If the British public have any sense, they will never vote Labour, Conservative or Liberal again, for at least a generation. It’s the having any sense bit that we might struggle with over here.
what's that saying about lions and donkeys??
 
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gray198

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That's unfair to the LibDems. They campaigned as a Remain party in the GE and have never changed that position since. They therefore represented over 48% of the population and quite possibly over half the electorate now, as you yourself have acknowledged.

Being sensible for the Remain inclined would be to vote for them in any new referendum or GE.
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where's UKIP when you need them
 

50Hertz

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That's unfair to the LibDems. They campaigned as a Remain party in the GE and have never changed that position since. They therefore represented over 48% of the population and quite possibly over half the electorate now, as you yourself have acknowledged.

Being sensible for the Remain inclined would be to vote for them in any new referendum or GE.
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Not really. Remember the Lib Dem’s and tuition fees? Can’t trust ‘em.
 
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anotherkiwi

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what's democracy
It is a political system the extreme right and the extreme left are bent on destroying all around the world.
 
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