Brexit, for once some facts.

anotherkiwi

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Long ago now Dave. As you know boat is spelt w.o.r.k. so I eventually packed it in when I spent more time maintaining than enjoying.
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Or: small boat = big pleasure, big boat = big bank account...
 
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Have just read that the EU have recently completed a free trade deal with Japan.....I wonder whether it is cheaper to ship Nissan vehicles from Japan to Europe than pay the 10% tariff UK to EU ????
If that is the case Honda must be thinking the same.
World car volumes are dropping out,some redundancy needed,could the UK be the first to get the chop.????
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Its been a tick box exercise to placate green brigade.
that's in the past.
Wind energy has come a long way. It's now one of the cheapest.
Nuclear and coal LCOE (levelized cost of electricity) go up.
Wind and solar continue to decrease.


 
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Interesting........

Japan Trade Deal makes UK less important
There are other powerful forces at work.
As of last week, the free trade agreement between the EU and Japan came into force.
Under that deal, tariffs on Japanese car exports to the EU begin to taper towards zero over the next ten years.
That means there is a dwindling rationale for Japan to manufacture cars for European customers in the EU.
In fact, post Brexit, cars from Japan entering the EU could attract lower tariffs than cars made in the UK.
3. Businesses are worried about losing existing trade access
There is another Brexit problem.
One of the highest growth areas for UK exports has been South Korea after trade has been stimulated by a trade agreement with the EU.
Currently the UK enjoys the preferential terms thanks to its membership of the EU. After March 29th it won't.
Given it takes six weeks to transport cars to South East Asia, from mid-February (end of next week) manufacturers face the prospect of loading ships with exports to markets without knowing what tariffs will apply to those products when they come off at the other end.
International Trade secretary Dr Liam Fox has been confident that we can replicate this and simply tippex out "EU" on the front page of nearly 40 free trade agreements and replace it with "UK".
It's not that simple.
For products to enjoy preferential terms under a trade deal, there is a requirement for them to be predominantly made of components from that country.
In the trade deal the EU has with South Korea, 55% of the car components must be from the EU.
If the same test was applied to the UK as a stand-alone country, none of the cars manufactured here would pass a test requiring 55% of components to come from the UK.
 

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Coincidentally, I can see one from where I’m walking my dog. It doesn’t seem to be doing very much in the way of generating electricity & that is the problem with them. Things can’t stop because it’s not windy enough.
Only one? I can see hundreds of them from the hill behind my house. The turbines themselves are a visual pollutant along with their service roads and supporting infrastructure scarring our hillsides.
As far as I know there is no decomissioning fund for these things so the hills will be left with 300 cu m concrete blocks buried all over the place.
 
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anotherkiwi

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Have just read that the EU have recently completed a free trade deal with Japan.....I wonder whether it is cheaper to ship Nissan vehicles from Japan to Europe than pay the 10% tariff UK to EU ????
If that is the case Honda must be thinking the same.
World car volumes are dropping out,some redundancy needed,could the UK be the first to get the chop.????
KudosDave
If they are electric the cost of shipping will make up a lesser percentage of the sales price. China only wants electric - Japan is closer to China than the EU. Many EU countries have a very short delay before going all electric for new cars.
 
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flecc

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Have just read that the EU have recently completed a free trade deal with Japan.....I wonder whether it is cheaper to ship Nissan vehicles from Japan to Europe than pay the 10% tariff UK to EU ????
If that is the case Honda must be thinking the same.
World car volumes are dropping out,some redundancy needed,could the UK be the first to get the chop.????
KudosDave
Honda might, since they don't enjoy the largest of sales here, but I think Toyota and Nissan would favour moving manufacture into mainland Europe since their volumes would justify it.

Now that the EU has that free trade deal with Japan Europe might see Daihatsu return sometime. They previously had to pack up here due to the costs from Japan.
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oldgroaner

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100% agree. Harvesting tidal can be very costly, even much more than nuclear power. But it's well worthwhile since it's totally green, utterly reliable and permanent for all time.

Everything else is daft in comparison.
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Unless we go Geothermal?
 
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As far as I know there is no decomissioning fund for these things so the hills will be left with 300 cu m concrete blocks buried all over the place.
the sale of recycled metal covers most of the cost of decommissioning and may be replaced with taller ones.
 
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flecc

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Unless we go Geothermal?
Difficult and expensive as it's installation by property for heating purposes. OK for heating houses at the cost of a big house price increase, we have a tiny number of new geothermally heated houses in London since our high property price market can stand the extra cost. Not so acceptable in the regions though.

But geothermal in our country isn't remotely suitable for power generation to supply the grid and industry.
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I cannot believe how stupid our government is. They've uttered an empty threat to cancel some forthcoming funding that was promised in 2016.

That future funding was for the new Qashqai and new X-Trail to be made in Sunderland.

Nissan have cancelled the X-Trail commitment but ADDED the new Juke since 2016. Since the Juke is far more worthwhile in sales and jobs needed, it's a gain over the X-Trail. I'm sure Nissan will not hesitate to put the government right on that and won't have to reapply for the funding.

The silliest thing of all about the government's confrontational action is that it could harden Nissan's attitude in any future consideration of leaving the UK for mainland Europe.
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But when there is no wind, there is no wind and that can be the case to several thousand feet.
Correct, ..but is your experience shared by your coastal friends. The number of windless days ,I experience in Ireland can be counted on one hand.
 
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100% agree. Harvesting tidal can be very costly, even much more than nuclear power. But it's well worthwhile since it's totally green, utterly reliable and permanent for all time.

Everything else is daft in comparison.
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You will, I assume, be pleased that the Swansea tidal thingy seems to be up for discussion again.

There are many potential issues with tidal power which make it not 100% green. The one that always gives me cause to pause is the impact of the whole thing on the rest of the coast.

They are also not for all time - Swansea was talking about 120 years but within that there is a considerable amount of maintenance.

I am happy to say that they might be very much better than many alternatives, but not quite as wonderful as you appear to claim.
 
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oldgroaner

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Nissan Funding

I cannot believe how stupid our government is. They've uttered an empty threat to cancel some forthcoming funding that was promised in 2016.

That future funding was for the new Qashqai and new X-Trail to be made in Sunderland.

Nissan have cancelled the X-Trail commitment but ADDED the new Juke since 2016. Since the Juke is far more worthwhile in sales and jobs needed, it's a gain over the X-Trail. I'm sure Nissan will not hesitate to put the government right on that and won't have to reapply for the funding.

The silliest thing of all about the government's confrontational action is that it could harden Nissan's attitude in any future consideration of leaving the UK for mainland Europe.
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Is my memory at fault or am I right in saying that the Government at one point categorically denied offering money to Nissan?
 
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You will, I assume, be pleased that the Swansea tidal thingy seems to be up for discussion again.

There are many potential issues with tidal power which make it not 100% green. The one that always gives me cause to pause is the impact of the whole thing on the rest of the coast.

They are also not for all time - Swansea was talking about 120 years but within that there is a considerable amount of maintenance.

I am happy to say that they might be very much better than many alternatives, but not quite as wonderful as you appear to claim.
Tell me one that meets more requirements. There isnt one. All energy sources are ultimately flawed and a compromise. Tidal is best of not such a good lot.
It seems we chose the very one with most, and unsolvable issues, for essentially a quick fix, albeit a short term and seriously flawed one in case of wind. In a couple of centuries, probably less, choosing wind power will be viewed as quite ridiculous.
 
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oldgroaner

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Difficult and expensive as it's installation by property for heating purposes. OK for heating houses at the cost of a big house price increase, we have a tiny number of new geothermally heated houses in London since our high property price market can stand the extra cost. Not so acceptable in the regions though.

But geothermal in our country isn't remotely suitable for power generation to supply the grid and industry.
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The Company I worked for did extensive studies of just such shallow depth heat pump systems for central heating of homes, to the point that they decided to sell off their Central Heating boiler business (rather prematurely as it turned out) to concentrate on Sanitary Ware
Such is life.
 
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Danidl

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Tell me one that meets more requirements. There isnt one. All energy sources are ultimately flawed and a compromise. Tidal is best of not such a good lot.
It seems we chose the very one with most, and unsolvable issues, for essentially a quick fix, albeit a short term and seriously flawed one in case of wind. In a couple of centuries, probably less, choosing wind power will be viewed as quite ridiculous.
... Just as most people will consider grown men putting on rubber suits, looking like corpulent seals and standing up on planks of Styrofoam with a few sq metres of polyester on a stick and hoping for the same wind to propel them, when there are perfectly good Banana boats equally ridiculous.
 
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flecc

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You will, I assume, be pleased that the Swansea tidal thingy seems to be up for discussion again.

There are many potential issues with tidal power which make it not 100% green. The one that always gives me cause to pause is the impact of the whole thing on the rest of the coast.

They are also not for all time - Swansea was talking about 120 years but within that there is a considerable amount of maintenance.

I am happy to say that they might be very much better than many alternatives, but not quite as wonderful as you appear to claim.
That's local and I'm aware of the issues with that scheme.

But I was speaking generally and what I posted was true. The tide is for all time and it is an unconditionally green power source. Whether the infrastructure to utilise it is green depends entirely on design and location of course, both in our hands.
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