Brexit, for once some facts.

Fingers

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So Brexit has nothing to do with Nissan change of mind on the X-Trail.

Strange timing to announce it but at least it clears up any misunderstandings.
 
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A long term high would be very serious,and this means that storage or a very wide grid are necessary. But even under a constant high pressure, there are always diurnal coastal winds...
Long term high pressure systems in winter are not unusual and they are characterised by light winds. Diurnal winds rely on the sun to create a temperature gradient to get things moving, but again, in winter when the sun is weak and low, it’s not going to stir much up in the way of wind.

Storage is laughably unsatisfactory. It’s ok for smoothing out the peaks in demand, such as when you go and stick the kettle on during the ad-break of Celebrity Love Island. As a means of getting us through a few weeks of calm conditions, forget it and reach for the nuclear option. What is needed in a modern and sophisticated society is a high yield, stable and reliable energy source. Nuclear satisfies those requirements, wind turbines and refillable ponds on hillsides do not.
 

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Only with any luck that it might be? :oops:
It's niggly little details like these that worry people

"A recent study by the Translational Genomics Research Institute showed that nearly half (47%) of the meat and poultry in US grocery stores was contaminated with S. aureus, with more than half (52%) of those bacteria resistant to antibiotics.[24] Furthermore, as per the FDA, more than 25% of retail chicken is resistant to 5 or more different classes of antibiotic treatment drugs in the United States.[25] An estimated 90–100% of conventional chicken contains, at least, one form of antibiotic resistance microorganism, while organic chicken has been found to have a lower incidence at 84%
And:

Chicken safety fear as chlorine washing fails bacteria tests
British microbiologists find that American technique at heart of Brexit trade row does not kill listeria and salmonella
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/26/chicken-health-fear-chlorine-washing-fails-bacteria-tests-brexit-salmonella-listeria
 

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What do they do with the carbon fibre?
I think they are sawn into small sections and put to landfill at the moment.
My guess they can dissolve the resin and recover the CF for burning when that process is proven (Veolia is trying to do that).
 
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A long term high would be very serious,and this means that storage or a very wide grid are necessary. But even under a constant high pressure, there are always diurnal coastal winds...
True, but they are time limited and very weak. I remember only too well in 1976 during my boating years just how weak they were then. Certainly not a national power source.

I'm not against wind power, but I think we in the UK are in danger of becoming over reliant on it with inadequate backup planned. The growing crisis around our planned nuclear program is underlining that.

The growing problem of what to do with refuse now others are becoming unwilling to take it also highlights our lack of wisdom in not developing more waste to power incineration, only now trying to play catchup.

And on home solar and local generation and storage we are way behind some others in Europe.
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Long term high pressure systems in winter are not unusual and they are characterised by light winds. Diurnal winds rely on the sun to create a temperature gradient to get things moving, but again, in winter when the sun is weak and low, it’s not going to stir much up in the way of wind.

Storage is laughably unsatisfactory. It’s ok for smoothing out the peaks in demand, such as when you go and stick the kettle on during the ad-break of Celebrity Love Island. As a means of getting us through a few weeks of calm conditions, forget it and reach for the nuclear option. What is needed in a modern and sophisticated society is a high yield, stable and reliable energy source. Nuclear satisfies those requirements, wind turbines and refillable ponds on hillsides do not.
I agree with the comment about short term storage.... (Though the Love Island reference is beyond my ken). The solution is always a mixture of technologies AND a wider grid. A pan European grid stretching from Finland,down into the Sahara and with a mix of producing and storage technologies, including nuclear ,gas , oil, coal and wind ,hydro and waste burning, PV .
At a more local level demand side pricing could see some activities closing down temporarily if the cost was excessive. ..If trains can be cancelled because there are leaves on the tracks, then so can a football match because of high lighting charges for a leisure activity.
 
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Except when the wind doesn’t blow, or the wind is too strong. We can experience extended periods of calm, especially in winter with a high pressure system sat over us, it can last for weeks and bring with it very low temperatures, thus pushing up demand. What happens on these occasions when we have long calm periods? Wind farms are ok to shut the vegetableists up and pacify them, but as proper means of providing a stable energy source, they aren’t very good. Huge nuclear power stations are what is required, preferably all built along the east coast, so if there is a mishap, the prevailing winds blow all the nastiness away from us.
that's why there is a need to expand the European electricity interconnects.

Estimated UK LCOE for projects starting in 2015

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

On shore Wind: £62 / MWH
Solar: £80
Nuclear: £93
Gas: £66

For reference, coal: £134/MHW
 
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True, but they are time limited and very weak. I remember only too well in 1976 during my boating years just how weak they were then. Certainly not a national power source.

I'm not against wind power, but I think we in the UK are in danger of becoming over reliant on it with inadequate backup planned. The growing crisis around our planned nuclear program is underlining that.

The growing problem of what to do with refuse now other are becoming unwilling to take it also highlights our lack of wisdom in not developing more waste to power incineration, only now trying to play catchup.

And on home solar and local generation and storage we are way behind some others in Europe.
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I do believe that the UK is particularly vulnerable in that regard. Even the Renewable energy rich Scotland with Hydro and excellent wind resources are far distant from the consumers in the SE.
 
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True, but they are time limited and very weak. I remember only too well in 1976 during my boating years just how weak they were then. Certainly not a national power source.

I'm not against wind power, but I think we in the UK are in danger of becoming over reliant on it with inadequate backup planned. The growing crisis around our planned nuclear program is underlining that.

The growing problem of what to do with refuse now other are becoming unwilling to take it also highlights our lack of wisdom in not developing more waste to power incineration, only now trying to play catchup.

And on home solar and local generation and storage we are way behind some others in Europe.
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Just a question really... do we actually have a Planned Nuclear program anymore?
ie: Dear Santa.. I know we haven't been very good, but.......:rolleyes:
And of course who, what, where and how much all seem to have dropped off the Radar with the government as a priority.
 
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So Brexit has nothing to do with Nissan change of mind on the X-Trail.

Strange timing to announce it but at least it clears up any misunderstandings.
Nissan like the rest of the motor industry here uses whatever propaganda it can to discourage leaving the EU, so the timing of this X-Trail decision announcement was for that purpose.

The decision itself was only due to the combination of dieselgate and the poor showing of the X-Trail in European compact 4 x 4 sales. That's why no attempt to move that to mainland Europe, just leaving it to Japan's X-Trail production line.

They could easily have moved it to Spain since there is a combined industry production facility there for producing compact 4 x 4s, used by several makers including Toyota and Vauxhall.
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.. Solar PV would have had major cost reductions since even 2015.
I have always harboured a secret ambition of turning my land in the Haute-Garonne into a solar farm...
 

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I think they are sawn into small sections and put to landfill at the moment.
My guess they can dissolve the resin and recover the CF for burning when that process is proven (Veolia is trying to do that).
Meanwhile it's stored carbon anyway, which is no bad thing.
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Just a question really... do we actually have a Planned Nuclear program anymore?
ie: Dear Santa.. I know we haven't been very good, but.......:rolleyes:
And of course who, what, where and how much all seem to have dropped off the Radar with the government as a priority.

Why do you think we need nuclear?

We are creating more electricity than we need atm. I’m personally not very happy we wanted to use the Chinese to build such core infrastructure when at the moment it’s not even necessary.

Renewables are the future.
 
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I do believe that the UK is particularly vulnerable in that regard. Even the Renewable energy rich Scotland with Hydro and excellent wind resources are far distant from the consumers in the SE.
Indeed, there's large transmission losses sending electricity over long distances. And our lack of winds in the south has left us with land based capital subsidised wind turbines that only have a shocking 8% utilisation.
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Why do you think we need nuclear?

We are creating more electricity than we need atm. I’m personally not very happy we wanted to use the Chinese to build such core infrastructure when at the moment it’s not even necessary.

Renewables are the future.
Agreed! I really don't think Nuclear Power is a good idea..
 
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50Hertz

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Why do you think we need nuclear?

We are creating more electricity than we need atm. I’m personally not very happy we wanted to use the Chinese to build such core infrastructure when at the moment it’s not even necessary.

Renewables are the future.
I’m going to buy a candle company then. :)
 

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