Brexit, for once some facts.

OxygenJames

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The hard brexiters take voters for fools.
Clause 24 is a mechanism for the EU and the UK to enter into a temporary customs arrangement for a standstill, as if we were still inside the EU customs union.
It's similar to the backstop.
The term 'hard' Brexit still makes me laugh. Sorry. Look - we either leave the single market, the customs union, get out from under the ECJ and get rid of free movement - or we don't. Its black and white.
 

oldgroaner

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AK wasn't criticising, he was being pedantic. 50Hertz said he got free money for two hours work, so AK pointed out it wasn't free if two hours work was involved. It was so much per hour.
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We should offer to all appear on Question time, it would be more fun for the viewers than watching the house of commons
 

gray198

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This nonsense again. The EU won't be too bothered if we crash out with no deal. Shared by the 27 they can cope easily and they know how we will suffer.
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they can get Italy to put some more in to make up shortfall
 
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flecc

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Dont tel me I hate socialism. You dont have a clue about my background. You simply assume my disregard for current so called socialists includes all socialists. I dont even see Corbyn as socialist. He is far nearer marxism and communism.
You clearly don't know what socialism is when you say Corbyn is nearer Marxism and Communism, but say Blair had labour policies. You clearly like Centrism and have said so, but hate real socialism.

And yes, give me Blair anyday over Corbyn. -------- His Labour policies worked.
Blair didn't have labour policies, remember he created the academies, an arch Tory policy if ever there was one.

There are some things that should never be privatised, and national railways, water and education are chief among them. Corbyn wants the first two renationalised, while Blair's academies privatised education. There's no doubt who is the socialist and true Labour party member according to the tenets of the party created by Keir Hardy.
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50Hertz

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Dear 50Hertz,

It’s a fact. Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party have more staff on the ground than we do.

They’ve recruited over 70 full-time campaigners – to help them win the local elections in May.

And with a majority of their campaigners based outside London, it’s clear what Labour are doing. They’re targeting our most important seats.

If Labour win in May, we know what will happen. Higher council tax, weaker public services and a path for Jeremy Corbyn to become Prime Minister.

We’ve only got 90 days left to the local elections. So will you make a contribution to OUR campaign managers?

In last year’s local elections, we beat Labour because of our campaign managers.

And we can beat them again. With your support, we’ll show that we’re able to take on Corbyn at the letter box as well as the dispatch box.

I know that campaign managers work.

They helped us beat Ed Miliband in 2015. They helped us win last year’s local elections. And they help our party stay in power.

So thanks to our campaign managers, 1.9 million more children are in good or outstanding schools. Unemployment is at its lowest level since the 1970s. Income tax has been cut for 32 million people. And our NHS is set to receive a record level of funding.

And we can only afford our campaign managers because people like you are present AND involved.

50Hertz, if you sign up to be a Gold member in the next 24 hours, I’ll send you a signed copy of my latest dispatch box statement (click here to see the video).



Michael Gove MP



Now should I sign up and win a chance of receiving a free copy of Michael Gove's Despatch Box Statement.
 
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flecc

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they can get Italy to put some more in to make up shortfall
I've replied to the like of this before, there is no shortfall.

At every stage of the EU's growth they've drawn money from members according to their financial position and used it to budget their wealth redistribution.

Wealth redistribution doesn't have a fixed cost like a product, it's just what income is received, just like a charity's receipts. Therefore there never is a shortfall since there's no figure to fall short of.

There'll just be a bit less to redistribute to fewer members. Not as much less as you might think, since there will no longer be any EU aid for the UK's many poor regions.
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OxygenJames

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More lies in the press - Tim putting them right:

Not One In Three Businesses Planning Brexit Relocation But One In Six Hundred

The Institute of Directors says that one in three of its members is thinking about, planning for, business relocation in the event of Brexit. This is being reported as one in three businesses is planning for relocation in the event of Brexit. The two are not the same statement although that’s how our entirely unbiased media is reporting it:

One in three UK firms plan for no-deal Brexit relocation, IoD says​
No, it doesn’t. It says that one third of IoD members are.

Nearly one in three British businesses are planning to relocate some of their operations abroad or have already shifted them to cope with a hard Brexit, according to a leading lobby group. The Institute of Directors (IoD) warned that 29% of firms in a survey of 1,200 members believed Brexit posed a significant risk to their operations in the UK and had either moved part of their businesses abroad already or were planning to do so.​
There are 5.5 to 6 million businesses in the UK. The IoD has 30,000 members. The finding is that one in three of IoD members are planning for relocation of some part of their activities. That is, 0.166% of businesses are planning relocation – that’s what has actually been found.

Do note that the IoD is not representative in any manner, statistical or otherwise, of British business.

Or, you know, close enough, one in six hundred businesses is planning a post-Brexit relocation. Yes, of course, mere pendantry, two orders of magnitude and a doubling, what’s that between friends?

Thank goodness the British media is entirely free of fake news, eh?
 
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Apparently AK has to lift a finger to think. Hope its his own.
No I have sad little fingers who does all my thinking. He isn't very good as you might have noticed.

This thread has scaled new depths. Me and OG arguing over "good luck" and fingers/AK arguing over "free money" and its source.
And AK proving he can speak rubbish in two languages. Brilliant.
I haven't called anyone a twat yet, twatty mactwatface did though (he also posts under fingers I think he is really Donald Trump, such tiny little fingers...)
 

flecc

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More lies in the press - Tim putting them right:

Not One In Three Businesses Planning Brexit Relocation But One In Six Hundred

The Institute of Directors says that one in three of its members is thinking about, planning for, business relocation in the event of Brexit. This is being reported as one in three businesses is planning for relocation in the event of Brexit. The two are not the same statement although that’s how our entirely unbiased media is reporting it:

One in three UK firms plan for no-deal Brexit relocation, IoD says​
No, it doesn’t. It says that one third of IoD members are.

Nearly one in three British businesses are planning to relocate some of their operations abroad or have already shifted them to cope with a hard Brexit, according to a leading lobby group. The Institute of Directors (IoD) warned that 29% of firms in a survey of 1,200 members believed Brexit posed a significant risk to their operations in the UK and had either moved part of their businesses abroad already or were planning to do so.​
There are 5.5 to 6 million businesses in the UK. The IoD has 30,000 members. The finding is that one in three of IoD members are planning for relocation of some part of their activities. That is, 0.166% of businesses are planning relocation – that’s what has actually been found.

Do note that the IoD is not representative in any manner, statistical or otherwise, of British business.

Or, you know, close enough, one in six hundred businesses is planning a post-Brexit relocation. Yes, of course, mere pendantry, two orders of magnitude and a doubling, what’s that between friends?

Thank goodness the British media is entirely free of fake news, eh?
Agreed, the IoD claim was just propaganda, designed to distort.

However, it's not about numbers since many would have little or no effect if they moved. It's the importance of those who do move that counts, and losing the UK based motor industry, if it happened, would be a very serious loss.

Like you though, I think a deal will be cobbled together somehow, so that wouldn't be in prospect.
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oldgroaner

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That’s fair enough. I don’t disapprove of pensions, I love them, I started a company one at the age of 16, my friends thought I was crazy. That pension is paying a government backed index linked final salary now and it’s ace.

What does puzzle me is when you are so heavily critical of people who invest for themselves, effectively cutting out the pension or investment fund manager’s rip-off fees. You were severely critical of the property deal I completed last year, yet you as a pensioner benefit from exactly the same type of investment scheme. The only difference between you & I on that front is that I did it myself, and you pay a fund manager.

Could you forgive me if I said that I thought your stance is hypocritical?
Certainly, why not?
 
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It is little wonder that my British colleagues,and fellow posters are confused. The attached is a Twitter post from one of your elected MEPs. .. now these are people you have elected to represent your interests in the EU parliament... Not unelected . These are the people you entrust with your welfare. You cannot disown them.
https://www.joe.ie/amp/news/ukip-leader-mep-makes-astonishingly-false-claim-irish-border-656718.
The factual position is that there are some 3500 HGVs per day,and 14 million crossings per annum of all vehicles
 
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oldgroaner

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On question time last night one of the questions was about prepping in case of a no deal Brexit. The questioner wanted to know if they had started storing food etc at home. None of the panelists answered the question directly. What do you all think of prepping for Brexit? Is it a waste of time or a sensible precaution in view of the hopeless mess the govt have made of it so far.
May will get her deal through, so no deal won't be a problem.
 
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Zlatan

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No I have sad little fingers who does all my thinking. He isn't very good as you might have noticed.



I haven't called anyone a twat yet, twatty mactwatface did though (he also posts under fingers I think he is really Donald Trump, such tiny little fingers...)
Thats one of your better posts,you do have another kiwi trait.
If he does your thinking for you and he is bad, how bad are you at it? Self effacing is an admirable trait. Goodonyer.
 
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oldgroaner

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Leave campaign have been fined 120k

RERUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brexit: Leave.EU and Arron Banks' firm fined £120,000 over data breaches

Now that has to be the bargain of the century for Putin, damage done both the EU and the UK for such a piffling sum!
Did you ever expect anything other than a whitewash when the result is so convenient to the Conservative Party.
 
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OxygenJames

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Agreed, the IoD claim was just propaganda, designed to distort.

However, it's not about numbers since many would have little or no effect if they moved. It's the importance of those who do move that counts, and losing the UK based motor industry, if it happened, would be a very serious loss.

Like you though, I think a deal will be cobbled together somehow, so that wouldn't be in prospect.
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Yup.

And I saw this:

In 2018, an EEF survey stated that only 7% of the companies surveyed are planning to move production to the EU but, on the other hand, a much greater proportion (12%) are planning to move production back to the UK. Again, this went unreported.
 
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oldgroaner

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BUT IT WAS THE RUSSIANS!!!!!!
And what a bargain it was too!
If only we had politicians who were not simply rogues , but capable too!

Six hundred and odd of them outsmarted by an EX KGB thug pulling the strings on his "useful idiots"
 
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