Brexit, for once some facts.

OxygenJames

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Robdon disagrees with this.????? He obviously thought it was a bad idea from OG... Dissent in Co op window..
Robdon has a simple rule when it comes to me - he ALWAYS (and I mean ALWAYS) gives my posts a negative remark. Always. Guaranteed. Its almost cute.
 
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OxygenJames

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This myth again. London generates a £50 billions surplus every year which the government redistributes to the regions. Nothing is given to London and the South East, it's just a part of the money we earnt in the first instance for infrastructure to enable us to continue making that £50 billions.

Believe me, if Brexit gives London a cold, the rest of the country will suffer flu.
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Right.
 

OxygenJames

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surely the aid that they are giving to our poor regions is only what we have given them in the first place, unless of course it exceeds our contributions, which I very much doubt. The main question I suppose is whether the UK gov will support it's poorer regions or just keep pumping money into London and the southeast
Read carefully how Flecc responds. He's right. The money comes OUT of London and the SE and INTO the regions. Its one way traffic.
 

anotherkiwi

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AK. Give it up. So what? Who cares? We're all guilty to some extent. And we've all taken some hits - to some extent. Let. It. Go.

Easier said than done huh?

Sure.

But come on.

Man up.

Stop whinging.

It doesn't become you.
OOOoo Monsieur double standards himself doth speak! All kneel!
 
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surely the aid that they are giving to our poor regions is only what we have given them in the first place, unless of course it exceeds our contributions, which I very much doubt. The main question I suppose is whether the UK gov will support it's poorer regions or just keep pumping money into London and the southeast
No problem there!

Government plans fund for deprived communities in attempt to win Brexit support
The Sun reports that Theresa May is planning a ‘National Renewal’ fund to invest in deprived areas such as coastal resorts and former mining communities, as well as new legislation on workers’ rights.
The constituencies of a dozen Labour MPs who voted with the Government on Tuesday are set to benefit, with Labour MP David Lammy saying that colleagues who accepted the funding were ‘cowards and facilitators’ on whom ‘history will be brutal’.

Mp's for sale! All makes and Models for immediate delivery
 
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OxygenJames

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AK. Give it up. So what? Who cares? We're all guilty to some extent. And we've all taken some hits - to some extent. Let. It. Go.

Easier said than done huh?

Sure.

But come on.

Man up.

Stop whinging.

It doesn't become you.
Nobody actually gets hurt in these exchanges. Just egos getting a bit bruised sometimes. Learn to tell the difference and free yourself from needless suffering!

Or as we said when we were kids:

Sticks and stones may.....
 
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flecc

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Read carefully how Flecc responds. He's right. The money comes OUT of London and the SE and INTO the regions. Its one way traffic.
Thanks James. There's a certain irony in all this. With London with the South East generating that £50 billions surplus, we are earning the whole £8 billions of our annual EU contribution six time over, not a penny from the regions! Any one year even more than covers the £39 billions to leave. And we voted to Remain!

But as you've said, it's not about money, there are many other factors in the Leave/Remain decisions.
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oldgroaner

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so project fear becomes project bulls**t
Did you miss this paragraph?
Nearly one in three British businesses are planning to relocate some of their operations abroad or have already shifted them to cope with a hard Brexit, according to a leading lobby group. The Institute of Directors (IoD) warned that 29% of firms in a survey of 1,200 members believed Brexit posed a significant risk to their operations in the UK and had either moved part of their businesses abroad already or were planning to do so.

He was speaking on behalf of the members, I assumed wrongly you would bother to read and understand that, it is after all right there.

By the way where did the figure you quote of 1 in 600 come from?
Which pillar of wisdom came out with that? Tim who?
 
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Nobody actually gets hurt in these exchanges. Just egos getting a bit bruised sometimes. Learn to tell the difference and free yourself from needless suffering!

Or as we said when we were kids:

Sticks and stones may.....
I don't have an ego, that is a luxury I haven't been able to afford for many years. I am just bringing my level down to where certain people have dragged it to, glad you have noticed.

As I have previously said my skin is as thick as certain forum members are...
 
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Zlatan

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I don't have an ego, that is a luxury I haven't been able to afford for many years. I am just bringing my level down to where certain people have dragged it to, glad you have noticed.

As I have previously said my skin is as thick as certain forum members are...
I hope not.
 

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Nigel Farage is suggesting an 'Article 24 Brexit'

That article governs free trade deals, essentially providing a loophole for countries who wish to lower trade barriers bilaterally, without adhering to the WTO principle that all members should have access to the same trading terms.
It also provides for countries which do not have free-trade agreement in place, to implement interim measures for up to 10 years.
So the UK and EU could continue trading without tariffs on March 30
Yes, under WTO rules this is possible, the UK and EU could both tell the WTO that they wanted to keep the same arrangements as before, or notify the WTO of changes to their relationship and the new terms they want to trade under.
Is there any other major issue with using this provision to alleviate the trade and border challenges associated with a No Deal Brexit?
Yes. Both sides need to agree, also known as having a deal. The EU has always refused to negotiate future trade arrangments until it has reached agreement with the UK over issues such as citizens rights, budget payments and the Northern Irish border.
Under the agreement Theresa May reached with Brussels last year, and rejected by the UK parliament, it was envisioned that there would be a two-year transition period under which the current trading relationships would be continued while the sides negotiated a new regime.
If there is no deal, the UK can continue to trade with the EU, but on the same terms as with any other WTO members with which it does not have a specific deal - this would mean an average of 4.3% tax for UK exports to the EU and 5.7% for imports from the EU, according to the Confederation for British Industry .

So what is wrong with this form of Brexit....if Nigel wants it I am immediately suspicious.
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So what is wrong with this form of Brexit....if Nigel wants it I am immediately suspicious.
KudosDave
Nigel wants to tell people that he has a simple solution while conveniently hiding the fact that it's an agreement and involves complicated negotiation.
 
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Not so optimistic as you would have us believe, is it?
And anything that relies of a Conservative Government helping business is Doomed, they couldn't help run a Whelk stall at the seaside.
it does not matter Labour or conservatives, our government will have to woo back big manufacturing firms after brexit.
 
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OxygenJames

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Did you miss this paragraph?
Nearly one in three British businesses are planning to relocate some of their operations abroad or have already shifted them to cope with a hard Brexit, according to a leading lobby group.

By the way where did the figure you quote of 1 in 600 come from?
OK. Let me spell this out to you as you're being a bit slow.

1 in 3 OF THE IOD members said they were planning to move their businesses.

Yes?

I'll repeat that:

1 in 3 OF THE IOD members said they were planning to move their businesses.

Still with me?

OK - here's the next bit:

There are 5.5 to 6 million businesses in the UK. The IoD has 30,000 members. The finding is that one in three of IoD members are planning for relocation of some part of their activities. That is, 0.166% of businesses are planning relocation – that’s what has actually been found.

Which is..... 1 in 600 actual businesses - NOT 1 in 3.

And - to note: the IoD is not representative in any manner, statistical or otherwise, of British business.

Get it?

Good.

I didn't think you were that stupid.
 

oldgroaner

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More lies in the press - Tim putting them right:

Not One In Three Businesses Planning Brexit Relocation But One In Six Hundred

The Institute of Directors says that one in three of its members is thinking about, planning for, business relocation in the event of Brexit. This is being reported as one in three businesses is planning for relocation in the event of Brexit. The two are not the same statement although that’s how our entirely unbiased media is reporting it:

One in three UK firms plan for no-deal Brexit relocation, IoD says​
No, it doesn’t. It says that one third of IoD members are.

Nearly one in three British businesses are planning to relocate some of their operations abroad or have already shifted them to cope with a hard Brexit, according to a leading lobby group. The Institute of Directors (IoD) warned that 29% of firms in a survey of 1,200 members believed Brexit posed a significant risk to their operations in the UK and had either moved part of their businesses abroad already or were planning to do so.​
There are 5.5 to 6 million businesses in the UK. The IoD has 30,000 members. The finding is that one in three of IoD members are planning for relocation of some part of their activities. That is, 0.166% of businesses are planning relocation – that’s what has actually been found.

Do note that the IoD is not representative in any manner, statistical or otherwise, of British business.

Or, you know, close enough, one in six hundred businesses is planning a post-Brexit relocation. Yes, of course, mere pendantry, two orders of magnitude and a doubling, what’s that between friends?

Thank goodness the British media is entirely free of fake news, eh?
Let's get this right, whoever Tim is he doesn't actually know how many businesses there are if he says this
There are 5.5 to 6 million businesses in the UK.
But what's half a million businesses between friends?
and where is the evidence to say 599 out of 600 are not planning to move or relocate?
So the the British media is entirely free of fake news, eh? what is that but fake news based on one person's opinion?
 
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OxygenJames

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I don't have an ego, that is a luxury I haven't been able to afford for many years. I am just bringing my level down to where certain people have dragged it to, glad you have noticed.

As I have previously said my skin is as thick as certain forum members are...
No. You are clearly demonstrating you don't have an ego. You are an ego. And nothing else by the sound of your posts at the moment.

Don't worry. Nobody is actually out to get you. All is well.
 
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