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Brexit, for once some facts.
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Thank you old friend.
I appreciate the care you show and I look forward to the daily copy and pasting blitz in the morning.
We all do.
Take care old friend.
The EU being the worlds second largest economy by GDP, with or without the UK...
When we joined the EU we we were going into a national bankruptcy so severe that the IMF had to take over our governance during that decade to rescue us.
But only 46 years later we are the world's fifth largest economy, proof absolute how we've prospered during EU membership. As Fingers rightly says, we've never been better off.
Yet now the Leavers, including Fingers (!), want to take us back to the struggling and failing independence of the early 1970s.
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- "but we can't see the future"
- "stop being so negative, don't you love your country?"
- "everything will be fine, the EU needs us more than we need them"
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Did I forget anything?
And here's my answers to their beliefs:
"but we can't see the future"
But I can see the precedent that shows the future.
"stop being so negative, don't you love your country?"
It's my love of country that inspires me to want to save it.
"everything will be fine, the EU needs us more than we need them"
They only need us as full members, not as outsiders.
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Yet 35 years before the imf we were at war with Germany!
Things change very quickly. Don’t use the past as an iron clad barometer to predict the future.
It’s a fools game.
I don't quite get what you saying there? How are bad financial choices and being at war 35 years before related?
Nobody can predict the future from what has happened in the past but you can have an educated guess. For example 2008 speculative bubble bursts ruining world economy. Since then other speculative bubbles have emerged, my educated guess is they will burst too in time.
Wrong, in this instance the past is a very accurate barometer.
The simple reason being that we haven't changed enough, the Leavers vote and the reasons they gave for that being identical to their post war beliefs that lead us into failure.
Now they want to do it again, and for the same baseless reasons.
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Some people never learn... For example in rural France intelligent people do car sharing to get to work and thus are less affected by the increase in fuel tax, they pay 25% of fuel bills. The "independent" ones who can't do car sharing for some imagined reason are hanging out on roundabouts in high viz jackets...
If I was out in the country these days I would look for 3 like minded people and buy a Leaf or other electric car, each person having to finance a quarter. Quite easy to set up an association under the 1901 law which would own the car, pay the insurance etc and the four people would be members of the association.
They must truly love suffering, or Russia, of course.
Remember what you are debating wih here, Fingers doesn't use logic, he uses Dogma.
Hence you are wasting your time.
Just look at this nonsense for instance
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Things change very quickly. Don’t use the past as an iron clad barometer to predict the future.
It’s a fools game. "
But not as big a fools game as failing to learn from the past, but then when you factor in that leavers don't even partially comprehend the present, they are in no danger of benefiting from any application of logic, whatever it may be based on.
Wishful thinking is the name of their fools game.
And ironically despite this not "believing anyone can predict the future" use these reasons that proved catastrophic in the past in the hope this time they will "get lucky"
well, whatever anyone else says, let me assure you, my honorable fellow forumite, that i find your conversion from thread sabotaging troll to dear old friend every bit as compelling as i am preparing to find boris' and gove's to remain after the second referendum. it emphatically does not seem like a charm offensive. nudge, nudge. wink, wink.
Very sensible. The night rate fuel cost of my 2018 Nissan Leaf electric is equal to 200 mpg (4 miles per kWh average). One electricity supplier offers a very late night rate for charging at only 4.99 pence per kWh, which is equal to 400 mpg in my Leaf! If I wasn't a low mileage driver I'd change to that, but for me it's hardly worth bothering.
Split either of those four ways and no-one would even notice a cost.
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It would be even cheaper if you all lived in the same house.
Shared heating bills, food. Condoms etc.
It's the way forward for sure.
Slightly off topic, and maybe more applicable in more rural French villages than the one I visit. But a colleague of mine, made reference to all kinds of kit being owned by the local commune,or mayors office, ..stuff like small cement mixers cultivators ,shovels,ladders ,hoists and being readily available to the residents . Now my village or town, does have some of these things .. excellent library , a minibus for local groups ,free tennis courts, and a huge trailor used as a stage for outdoor community events . But the kind of kit for small once offs ..is it available where you are.. just curious?.
Car sharing is very common in the Gers and the Landes, when I lived there my commute was 62 km one way so you can see why.
There is an association here called the Castors (Beaver in English) which you join if you want to build your own house. You get to use all that gear plus substantial discounts on materials.
"They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours."
There is an association here called the Castors (Beaver in English) which you join if you want to build your own house. You get to use all that gear plus substantial discounts on materials.
Society used to work in the UK too in the past then this:
"They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look after themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbours."
In one sense many of us do that already, living in flats as I do. Our heating transfer benefits the whole building, we share all the maintenance and gardening costs and often help others such as in giving lifts or clearing bulky refuse.
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Yes, the sick attitude of Margaret Thatcher. David Cameron followed that policy of leaving people to help themselves, but ironically called it the Big Society.
Two Tories following the identical policy, one saying there is no society to make it work, the other depending on society to make it work!
You couldn't make it up.
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