Including mainland UK in the backstop is a UK choice,not an EU and not an Irish choice. When are you going to appreciate that actions and positions have consequences?
Allowing the DUP tail to wag the HoC dog,has consequences.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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Allowing the DUP tail to wag the HoC dog,has consequences.
If you are a EU citizen you can be a public servant in France. That means just over a thousand people from the UK are public servants here. This week there was a couple of school teachers in Limoges on TV explaining their great distress. The government has however passed legislation which will allow them to remain public servants.
You've seriously misread Germany. Yes they have their minority of far right yobs, just as we've had with the BNP et al, but they've at last learned a very harsh and long lasting lesson from history. They won't go there again now that they've realised they can achieve the same ends peacefully.
And they don't have an immigration problem. Some decades ago they imported well over three million Turks who they very successfully integrated into their society. Then they imported the whole of East Germany which had developed into an entirely different culture. So what makes you think they can't cope with a mere million current immigrants?
What Germany has been doing since WW2 is a copy of what made the USA such a huge success, and has been making the German economy the most successful in the recent world. That is opening the door to everyone willing to participate and using their combined talents to succeed.
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Its not going to happen though Tommie.???
My bet would now be May's deal to collapse... And then ref 2?? (With remain or no deal as options)
JC will ask for a GE but it wont get called.
Assuming that is we can extend Art 50 long enough to arrange ref2... Which EU will grab with both greedy mits..!!
He doesn't read the German press... Same in Spain, there are still people alive who remember - some are nostalgic, the majority horrified.
Do you make this up or read it somewhere flecc. Germany has a colosal migrant crisis.
All Germans I have met have all moaned, not about the immigrants themselves but the loss of identity within Germany. A group I met in Italy last year actually said there was no point going back to Berlin... Its not Berlin anymore. I, m not passing judgement either way but these were middle class, relatively affluent Germans(and a couple of Austrians) expressing severe dismay about where country had gone.
Take off your rose coloured specs Flecc. All is far from well in EU.
Italy has no better standard of living than in 1999.The economy in Greece has shrunk by a third since 2008.Spain has 35% youth unemployment. France I dont need to say anything.
The place is rife for social unrest.
The outlook for the Euro is at best demanding, for it to survive another 20 years needs all kinds of new integrated policies.(as Macron has identified) But just as Macron has faced massive dissent so will EU when they try and introduce legislation to get Italy,Greece etc back on trackand helped directly( common aid, fiscal policies etc) the northern Europeans will not tolerate it. What we have seen in france is over fuel tax to help country meet green targets. Wait until France /Germany etc start paying for welfare in Italy, Greece and Spain.
I, m not saying its doomed but it certainly could be. Just passing everything off as "ok" is not seeing EU as it really is.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/migrant-crisis-haunts-eu-three-years-after-merkels-fateful-call-136397
Oh ofcourse Germany doesnt have a migrant crisis. Flecc says so.
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The Turks weren't immigrants. They were cheap workers and never had legal status to stay.
This 'mere' million has caused a lot of friction and will continue to do so.
The 3 million eastern Europeans that came here when 13 thousand were forecast in 2000 changed this country forever. I suspect the same will happen to Germany.
All good till the economy dips then we will see what happens.
East Germans were still Germans. A 35 year gap didn't stop them being Germans.
Guardian reports:
Boris Johnson received £23,000 from Lynton Crosby strategy firm
MP given interest-free loan for office and staffing costs month before crucial Brexit vote
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/11/boris-johnson-received-23000-from-lynton-crosby-strategy-firm
Boris Johnson received £23,000 from Lynton Crosby strategy firm
MP given interest-free loan for office and staffing costs month before crucial Brexit vote
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/11/boris-johnson-received-23000-from-lynton-crosby-strategy-firm
Read the German press, of course there are problems absorbing 1.2 million people who don't speak the language. But Germans will be Germans and they are working on it. 20% of the German population has migrant origins.
Italians are always complaining about something, in fact most peoples from southern Europe are always complaining. But not about the weather...
Here is a map to help you understand unemployment in Spain:
The areas in France where people are very disappointed (often for good reason) are surprise, surprise ones where the FN gets its best scores in elections. That a tiny majority have decided violence is the only solution to paying the hire purchase on the car which they bought and which is beyond their means is another issue. A movement based on fake news and conspiracy theories now where have we seen that before? A French philosopher recently said "Macron is hardly Louis the sixteenth"... The current crisis is the result of the pathetic politics of the previous president.
Just your familiar rant all over again!
Just because people moan about change doesn't mean failure. It's just part of the process of getting accustomed. The Germans moaned and bitterly complained about the three million Turks they imported long ago. Then they got used to them, started marrying them and have now integrated.
As I said, just like the USA and its mongrel mix of peoples.
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East Germans were Prussians, and were as "German" and or as different as the Bavarians ,or as close as the Scots are to English .They would not have seen themselves as German until 1860s . Nationalism in the UK sense was very late in coming to Germany. But of course they are a highly organised people and take to these new fangled ideas with enthusiasm.
And you have your normal blinkers and rose coloured specs. Yes, perhaps problems are not insurnountable but just claiming "Germany has learnt its lessin" and "does not have a migrant crisis" is burying your head in the sand upto your arse.
You should be happy that the French government is looking after the interests of all UK citizens who have decided to live here and work as public servants.
Invited or not, they were still immigrants and Germany has happily kept them
See this reply, the friction is temporary so irrelevant.
It was nearer half that, the whole of immigration from the world into the UK in the relevant period was a bit over 3 million and very large numbers of East Europeans have returned to their homelands.
Of course immigration changes countries, but history shows that is always for the better. Remember, we supposed Britons are all immigrants, many relatively recent too.
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True, but in the past, it took centuries to grow. The Single Market changed all that.
Immigration shoots up from about 10% to 15%-20% in just one generation.
that is looking at the world through a very simplistic ethnocentric filter. Do you have any idea how much diversity there is amongst germans - or turks or english for that matter? I have less in common with you than i have with most turks I've met. and as for the "economic downturn" argument - yes, that's a useful moment for populist politicians to use "immigrants" as a way to focus gullible natives' attention away from their own failure. Hitler did that, much as trump and far right tories do. it does not make it a valid premise: immigrants create more wealth than they consume, unlike many locals who, living idle lives, naturally do not like being shown up for doing that.