Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

Gove eh? that pretty much sums up what you are and represent.
A mathematical genius like yourself who famously declared he wanted "All schools to be above average"
I can see why he appeals to you.

The attempts to make all schools above average is fair enough.. We should all strive to be better... That's how top football clubs work. They strive to be better, fact not all can is actually irrelevant and fact that if they did... average would rise... So in most things its a fair comment. The stupid one was when some government minister wanted average IQ to be higher... By definition average IQ is 100,so that was stupid. Getting average to rise in none standardised results is not as stupid as it sounds.(for example average height has rissen as a result of better nutrition)
A goal of increasing average scores in lets say maths SATs is perfectly sound. For example average reading age for 14 year olds had rissen since victorian times. If education was actually working average reading ages for 14 year olds would rise year on year... Until all kids could have a reaading age of 14 at 14.(14 is as high as it gets, newspapers generally operate at reading age of 9..Guardian and AAV about 5.)
9 is functional.

 

[tommie]

Well, well,well.... some things don`t change, the Irish again go cap in hand to their Masters,

and have absolutely no-one to blame except themselves - will they ever learn..

Emergency EU aid to be sought for Brexit fallout
'No-deal' UK withdrawal would lead to massive losses for farmers

The Government will seek hundreds of millions of euro in special aid from Brussels if the UK crashes out of the EU without a deal.

Dublin has already alerted the EU Commission that it will be lobbying for emergency aid to cope with the fallout to Irish trade, particularly for the beef, dairy and fishing sectors.
With Westminster deadlocked, fears are growing that Britain will exit the EU in just 12 weeks’ time without a deal.
However, it also comes at a time when Ireland is under increasing pressure from key EU member states, such as France and Germany, to increase taxes on multinational high-tech companies in Ireland.
Agriculture Minister Michael Creed has told the Irish Independent that if, and when, a hard Brexit becomes a reality, Ireland will be making a case for major grant aid.
“You’re looking at hundreds of millions here. Between the beef industry and the fishing industry we’re talking mega-money,” he said.
The move for special aid would reverse a trend in which Ireland was a net contributor to EU coffers after decades of lavish farm, regional and social fund grants worth tens of billions.

JRM`s quote hits the nail on the head!
If we leave without a deal the main culprit will be the obdurate Irish Government’s threats about the phantom border issue.

 

[tommie]

N.B. This entry about e-bikes in this thread is to balance the occasions when Brexit has been mentioned in the Electric Bicycles forum.
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Or...ermm....possibly to dig someone out of a hole !!! ???? Eh flecc !!!

 

[Zlatan]

This is off topic, but I'm responding to a question in a previous post, so don't blame me. I'm decidedly ambivalent about ebikes, and trying an increasing number (kalkhoff, bosch, yamaha, even whisper) hasn't helped. The crux is that I'm old enough to need all the exercise I can get, and that the money that buys a mediocre pedelec (say 2k) buys a very good ordinary bike (rohloff equipped tourer, good titanium road bike, which is a much better platform to get fitter on). I think in an ideal world I'd prefer assistance that's extremely light and subtle, but this does not seem to exist. Do any of you find yourself in a similar position?

Your feelings are not backed up by research or my own experiences on ebike.
We all have so much energy to put into bike, be it ebike or ordinary.
Lets say you can give 150 w per hour for 3 hours.
On an ordinary bike that might take you 10 miles off road (mtb)
On an ebike on low setting 20 miles.
On ebike on high setting 30 miles.
The increase in fitness has nothing to do with bike used and all to do with effort you put in.
Personally would rather cover 30 miles, go higher, faster and see more than do 10 miles in same time.
I know for a fact I, m doing way way more on ebike than I ever did.. Enjoying it more, going further faster higher.
I, ll never go back to none ebike.

 

[Fingers]

Your feelings are not backed up by research or my own experiences on ebike.
We all have so much energy to put into bike, be it ebike or ordinary.
Lets say you can give 150 w per hour for 3 hours.
On an ordinary bike that might take you 10 miles off road (mtb)
On an ebike on low setting 20 miles.
On ebike on high setting 30 miles.
The increase in fitness has nothing to do with bike used and all to do with effort you put in.
Personally would rather cover 30 miles, go higher, faster and see more than do 10 miles in same time.
I know for a fact I, m doing way way more on ebike than I ever did.. Enjoying it more, going further faster higher.
I, ll never go back to none ebike.

He hates Ebikes. He hates Brexit.

Where else to go to discuss this but on an ebike forum.

Sounds legit....

Are you a socialist @jonathan.agnew ?

 

[oldgroaner]

It's its - not it's. That's the second time correcting you on that.

More evidence that you don't actually learn from your mistakes.

The rest of your nonsense requires no response - as it's nonsense.

Don't you have somewhere else to go to make a nuisance of yourself?
You haven't managed to make a sensible comment on Brexit this year

 

[Zlatan]

Don't you have somewhere else to go to make a nuisance of yourself?
You haven't managed to make a sensible comment on Brexit this year

You, ve had 2 years to do it...and still trying.. (in both ways)

 

[oldgroaner]

Here for the benefit of the three Stooges is a rather amusing document

You would have to be a complete idiot to have faith in such a group of charlatans, and indeed we have some idiots on here who do!
but then they voted for Brexit so they will believe any old nonsense.

 

[Fingers]

Don't you have somewhere else to go to make a nuisance of yourself?
You haven't managed to make a sensible comment on Brexit this year

If you can’t say something nice say nothing at all.

Such a rude old man. That is being nice btw.

 

[Zlatan]

Since we seem happy OT... What a way to contribute to global warming. Had a quick go. Loved it, but fuel use is unbelievable..
They dont do an electric one. The one in video uses an 1800 cc supercharged 4 stroke giving 260 bhp... and uses lots of petrol...
Buying OG one..

 

[oldgroaner]

More uncomfortable facts for the Brexit fans
UK exports in 2017:
(£bn) EU

£274.00bn
USA

£46.50bn
China

£16.91bn
Japan

£5.79bn
Canada

£4.90bn
Australia

£4.59bn
Saudi Arabia

£4.26bn
India

£4.13bn
South Africa

£2.15bn
Brazil

£1.83bn
Spot the problem.
That nice Mr Fox will soon sort it out........oh sure he will

 

[oldgroaner]

If you can’t say something nice say nothing at all.

Such a rude old man. That is being nice btw.

Take your advice and disruptive attitude with you when you go, you are a waste of space, with nothing to add to the discussion.

 

[Fingers]

More uncomfortable facts for the Brexit fans
UK exports in 2017:
(£bn) EU

£274.00bn
USA

£46.50bn
China

£16.91bn
Japan

£5.79bn
Canada

£4.90bn
Australia

£4.59bn
Saudi Arabia

£4.26bn
India

£4.13bn
South Africa

£2.15bn
Brazil

£1.83bn
Spot the problem.
That nice Mr Fox will soon sort it out........oh sure he will

Why would that be uncomfortable?

Is the EU disappearing? Do you know something we don’t know?

Spit it out.

 

[Fingers]

Take your advice and disruptive attitude with you when you go, you are a waste of space, with nothing to add to the discussion.

Not very Nice. Not very nice at all. What a miserable old man you are.

And that’s being nice!

 

[oldgroaner]

You, ve had 2 years to do it...and still trying.. (in both ways)

You don't have to park yourself alongside the Three Stooges, you at least occasionally make some good points.
The rest of them simply want to kill any discussion on Brexit taking place

 

[flecc]

Or...ermm....possibly to dig someone out of a hole !!! ???? Eh flecc !!!

No, he asked the question and in an e-bike site it deserved an answer. Others can dig themselves out of holes.
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[Zlatan]

You don't have to park yourself alongside the Three Stooges, you at least occasionally make some good points.
The rest of them simply want to kill any discussion on Brexit taking place

No they dont OG. They make valid points, its just that you dont agree with any of them, they rarely insult (unless insulted) and see your faults, which to be fair are easy enough to spot.
You and your mates have had somewhat of a monopoly on here. You dont like it when folk treat you as you have regularly treated others.

 

[tommie]

No, he asked the question and in an e-bike site it deserved an answer. Others can dig themselves out of holes.
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thanks for that response,

we note it`s difficult for you to defend the indefensible

 

[OxygenJames]

Don't you have somewhere else to go to make a nuisance of yourself?
You haven't managed to make a sensible comment on Brexit this year

True - I'm too busy correcting your grammatical mistakes.

 

[Danidl]

This is off topic, but I'm responding to a question in a previous post, so don't blame me. I'm decidedly ambivalent about ebikes, and trying an increasing number (kalkhoff, bosch, yamaha, even whisper) hasn't helped. The crux is that I'm old enough to need all the exercise I can get, and that the money that buys a mediocre pedelec (say 2k) buys a very good ordinary bike (rohloff equipped tourer, good titanium road bike, which is a much better platform to get fitter on). I think in an ideal world I'd prefer assistance that's extremely light and subtle, but this does not seem to exist. Do any of you find yourself in a similar position?

It is off topic, but perhaps a welcome relief. For my part, I am on my second ebike,the first served for the last 6 years of my employment,and the second is my leisure machine post retirement. So that makes me some kind of a fanboy. Why did i buy the second?. Because I could, and while i could have replaced the battery , I fancied a change. If finance was a big deal, I would have jyst repoaced the battery The replacement, a Raleigh Motus with the central drive motor rewards physical activity. The more i put in , the faster it goes, and the more frequently the scenery changes. It therefore will tend to get more used than i would otherwise . Going to the local shops a km away, or my son's house 2 km away ,is quicker than using the car. Going to the major shops at 8 km distance for a small items , is a nice jaunt, and going to coffee shops 20 km away a major event. ..a three hour Interlude.
I can honestly say there are 2600 kms taken on that bike which would have been cycled at all .That is probably 300 hours of excercise.
The only point we might disagree on is whether 2000 quid buys a mediocre bike. It does not. My Motus is a very good quality on road tourer. Yes for more money one can buy a slightly less massive frame, or alternatively i could forego that eclair