Brexit, for once some facts.

[OxygenJames]

No they dont OG. They make valid points, its just that you dont agree with any of them, they rarely insult (unless insulted) and see your faults, which to be fair are easy enough to spot.
You and your mates have had somewhat of a monopoly on here. You dont like it when folk treat you as you have regularly treated others.

Very true.

Given that he can't correct his use of the possessive form of 'its' - when the facts have been clearly placed before him (at least twice) - what chances are there of him changing his mind about as complex a subject as Brexit? Pretty much zero.

Oh well.

Group hug anybody?

 

[oldgroaner]

No they dont OG. They make valid points, its just that you dont agree with any of them, they rarely insult (unless insulted) and see your faults, which to be fair are easy enough to spot.
You and your mates have had somewhat of a monopoly on here. You dont like it when folk treat you as you have regularly treated others.

They don't make any points at all, just come on and clown around to disrupt the thread

 

[oldgroaner]

True - I'm too busy correcting your grammatical mistakes.

Thank you for proving my point, your only purpose is to be a nuisance

 

[Danidl]

The attempts to make all schools above average is fair enough.. We should all strive to be better... That's how top football clubs work. They strive to be better, fact not all can is actually irrelevant and fact that if they did... average would rise... So in most things its a fair comment. The stupid one was when some government minister wanted average IQ to be higher... By definition average IQ is 100,so that was stupid. Getting average to rise in none standardised results is not as stupid as it sounds.(for example average height has rissen as a result of better nutrition)
A goal of increasing average scores in lets say maths SATs is perfectly sound. For example average reading age for 14 year olds had rissen since victorian times. If education was actually working average reading ages for 14 year olds would rise year on year... Until all kids could have a reaading age of 14 at 14.(14 is as high as it gets, newspapers generally operate at reading age of 9..Guardian and AAV about 5.)
9 is functional.

Sorry Zathlan, that does not wash. It is a matter of mathematical logic. If N schools score a range of values m1 to mn. The sum of their performances is sigma m and the average is ( sigma m)/N. .. no ifs no buts.
Were the comment that we wish to increase the performance in subject x, so that the average performance would be 10% higher on a standard measurement protocol , that would come under the banner of continuous improvement and would be a legitimate goal. Having been in education, the danger is that goal is achieved by reducing the demands placed on the student

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Independent
"
Government ministers have been criticised after awarding a multimillion pound contract to a ferry company that appears to have copied its terms and conditions from a takeaway outlet.
Seaborne Freight, which is receiving £13.8m of public money to provide ferry transport in the event of a no-deal Brexit, despite not owning any ferries, has a section on its website that refers to “placing an order” and advising customers to check goods “before agreeing to pay for any meal/order”.
The text tells customers they must “ensure delivery address details are correct and detailed enough for the delivery driver to locate the address in adequate time”.
Visitors to the website are also told they must provide a valid contact number “when ordering online” and warned that “undelivered orders will be chargeable”.

Well it doesn't have to make sense does it? where Brexit is concerned any old rubbish will fool the plebs

 

[Danidl]

Why would that be uncomfortable?

Is the EU disappearing? Do you know something we don’t know?

Spit it out.

It would not be a huge mental step to suppose that putting barriers to a trade market will somehow reduce that trade. His point was the obvious that a 1% reduction in EU trade is more significant than a 5% increase in say US trade. But as you have already said Brexit had nothing to do witn economics .

 

[oldgroaner]

No they dont OG. They make valid points, its just that you dont agree with any of them, they rarely insult (unless insulted) and see your faults, which to be fair are easy enough to spot.
You and your mates have had somewhat of a monopoly on here. You dont like it when folk treat you as you have regularly treated others.

None of you have advanced a pragmatic argument in favour of Brexit, just tried to disrupt the thread

 

[Zlatan]

Sorry Zathlan, that does not wash. It is a matter of mathematical logic. If N schools score a range of values m1 to mn. The sum of their performances is sigma m and the average is ( sigma m)/N. .. no ifs no buts.
Were the comment that we wish to increase the performance in subject x, so that the average performance would be 10% higher on a standard measurement protocol , that would come under the banner of continuous improvement and would be a legitimate goal. Having been in education, the danger is that goal is achieved by reducing the demands placed on the student

I, ve often wondered why my 32 years in education felt like abstract failure. I now know. Thanks for explaining what mean average is,I never knew that.
Saying a goal is to increase an average score for a group, any group, is perfrctly valid. I think you said same.
It depends on average "what" thats all. Average IQ, afraid not. Average reading age, average SAT result etc etc fine.

 

[Fingers]

It would not be a huge mental step to suppose that putting barriers to a trade market will somehow reduce that trade. His point was the obvious that a 1% reduction in EU trade is more significant than a 5% increase in say US trade. But as you have already said Brexit had nothing to do witn economics .

It does medium to long term.

We will all feel the benefit medium to long term in this sceptred isle, this precious stone set in the silver sea.

This happy breed of men (exceptions aside) will flourish as new, clean technologies emerge and we, in this other Eden, this demi-paradise master them against the envy of lesser, happier lands.

 

[oyster]

Lets say you can give 150 w per hour for 3 hours.

The attempts to make all schools above average is fair enough..

Please would you explain "w per hour"?

Just how can you make all schools achieve above average? (Unless you go off playing ducks and drakes with the various possible meanings of "average".) You appear to understand with respect to IQ but how on earth can you achieve it with school results?

At best, it is a very lazy and imprecise way of suggesting that all schools should for the future target, and hopefully achieve, results higher than the current average.

 

[Zlatan]

None of you have advanced a pragmatic argument in favour of Brexit, just tried to disrupt the thread

Its quite ironic you think that. You have argued with myself, Tomnie, Fingers, Oxygen James, Gray, Tillson, Peter and a few who have slipped my mind.
The common thing in all that is your dear self. Nobody, but nobody has argued with as many as you.
I, ve disagreed with Tommie, Fingers, Tillson, Danidl and Flecc all without argument and in good spirit. (ok nearly in case of flecc)
You seem incapable of disagreeing without arguing. You are on a crusade OG making many self rightoues proclaimments. You do not have a monopoly on "rightness" or any moral high ground. You have opinions, guess what, so does rest of forum.
You have no right at all to decide who or what is not making legitimate comments about Brexit. Besides, you are always selective about who is and who isnt offering real Brexit opinions.
Get over yourself OG. Stick to offering opinions and stop insulting folk for not agreeing with your rather insular view of the world. Lighten up. Get off your high horse, have a drink and watch football. Great game kicks off soon.

 

[oldgroaner]

Its quite ironic you think that. You have argued with myself, Tomnie, Fingers, Oxygen James, Gray, Tillson, Peter and a few who have slipped my mind.
The common thing in all that is your dear self. Nobody, but nobody has argued with as many as you.
I, ve disagreed with Tommie, Fingers, Tillson, Danidl and Flecc all without argument and in good spirit. (ok nearly in case of flecc)
You seem incapable of disagreeing without arguing. You are on a crusade OG making many self rightoues proclaimments. You do not have a monopoly on "rightness" or any moral high ground. You have opinions, guess what, so does rest of forum.
You have no right at all to decide who or what is not making legitimate comments about Brexit. Besides, you are always selective about who is and who isnt offering real Brexit opinions.
Get over yourself OG. Stick to offering opinions and stop insulting folk for not agreeing with your rather insular view of the world. Lighten up. Get off your high horse, have a drink and watch football. Great game kicks off soon.

Have you quite finished?once again a load of off topic nonsense and in fact another personal attack pretending to be fair criticism.
You need to concentrate on the debate and stop this nonsense.
Where is your pragmatic argument in favour of Brexit?
No matter how many times I ask all we get from the leave supporters is nothing remotely like one.
Because quite simply none exists.

 

[oldgroaner]

Please would you explain "w per hour"?

Just how can you make all schools achieve above average? (Unless you go off playing ducks and drakes with the various possible meanings of "average".) You appear to understand with respect to IQ but how on earth can you achieve it with school results?

At best, it is a very lazy and imprecise way of suggesting that all schools should for the future target, and hopefully achieve, results higher than the current average.

Zlatan claims to have been a "Maths teacher" for some reason

 

[Zlatan]

Please would you explain "w per hour"?

Just how can you make all schools achieve above average? (Unless you go off playing ducks and drakes with the various possible meanings of "average".) You appear to understand with respect to IQ but how on earth can you achieve it with school results?

At best, it is a very lazy and imprecise way of suggesting that all schools should for the future target, and hopefully achieve, results higher than the current average.

W /hr.. Watts per hour. Its used to classify how much work you can do. Basically, I, m saying it is dependant on rider not the bike you are sat on.
Ofcourse you can raise average of any group.
Lets say you recorded entire nations 100m run time.Then everyone trained, intensively for a year. Everything else being equal the average will increase. (well decrease in this case)
Whats so strange about that?
It falls down on certain things where the average has specific meaning. (ie IQ is mental age/chronological age x 100)
I,m not for a moment suggesting its a goal, I, m saying its not a stupid thing to say, except for standardised results normalised to current population.

On the ebike thing. Buy, borrow or beg one. Take it out and see how knackered you can get using it. You, ll be surprised. I dont do any less work than when I had normal bike. I just go further and faster in same time. (I have to wear heart monitor and know I, m having an equally hard work out)

 

[Zlatan]

Zlatan claims to have been a "Maths teacher" for some reason

You pretend to be a human being. Beginning to think otherwise. Why the insult OG?
And I have never said anything about teaching. I said I was in education.. Two different things.

 

[oldgroaner]

It does medium to long term.

We will all feel the benefit medium to long term in this sceptred isle, this precious stone set in the silver sea.

This happy breed of men (exceptions aside) will flourish as new, clean technologies emerge and we, in this other Eden, this demi-paradise master them against the envy of lesser, happier lands.

Still no pragmatic argument, just more slogans, wishful thinking where logic should be employed ,no facts, no plan .

 

[oldgroaner]

You pretend to be a human being. Beginning to think otherwise. Why the insult OG?
And I have never said anything about teaching. I said I was in education.. Two different things.

Oh yes you did, why would I make that up? would you like me to pull up your posts to prove it?
By the way how do you work out that reminding you of things you have actually claimed is insulting, and why deny it now? is there something wrong with being a maths teacher?

 

[Fingers]

You pretend to be a human being. Beginning to think otherwise. Why the insult OG?
And I have never said anything about teaching. I said I was in education.. Two different things.

He just wants an argument mate. I suspect he’s having a tough time at home and he’s lashing out in here.

 

[Fingers]

Still no pragmatic argument, just more slogans, wishful thinking where logic should be employed ,no facts, no plan .

Still the same answer.

We cannot predict the future. By EU law we cannot make trade deals till we’re out.

Officially at least. But I suspect some will be signed pretty quickly in April.

Relax.

We got this.

 

[Zlatan]

It is off topic, but perhaps a welcome relief. For my part, I am on my second ebike,the first served for the last 6 years of my employment,and the second is my leisure machine post retirement. So that makes me some kind of a fanboy. Why did i buy the second?. Because I could, and while i could have replaced the battery , I fancied a change. If finance was a big deal, I would have jyst repoaced the battery The replacement, a Raleigh Motus with the central drive motor rewards physical activity. The more i put in , the faster it goes, and the more frequently the scenery changes. It therefore will tend to get more used than i would otherwise . Going to the local shops a km away, or my son's house 2 km away ,is quicker than using the car. Going to the major shops at 8 km distance for a small items , is a nice jaunt, and going to coffee shops 20 km away a major event. ..a three hour Interlude.
I can honestly say there are 2600 kms taken on that bike which would have been cycled at all .That is probably 300 hours of excercise.
The only point we might disagree on is whether 2000 quid buys a mediocre bike. It does not. My Motus is a very good quality on road tourer. Yes for more money one can buy a slightly less massive frame, or alternatively i could forego that eclair

Good post Danidl. I, m just coming up to 3000 miles on Haibike. Reckon that would have been 800 at most on ordinary. Wife has same bike as you. Its better than my haibike on road.
Other benefit is we now go out together, both work hard but stay together. Impossible on none electric.
We hired 2 emtb on holiday in Italy with a guide. Went up Monte Baldo. Guide in eco, me in normal, wife in high. Stayed together all day. One of best days out ever. All tired at end..
A few weeks ago I had a day out with a bloke who competes in DH mtb racing. (he, s had a 4th in Europe) He, s good at pedalling uphill too. I had Haibike in high, he had his in eco. Stayed with him for 3 hours... I learnt loads. He now trains on ebikes... To get more saddle time...???!!!