Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

This is essentially what is wrong with the idea of Brexit
"Transport Secretary Chris Grayling defends awarding contract for running ferries in a no deal Brexit to Seaborne Freight, despite it never running a ferry service before. "I make no apologies for supporting a new British business," he says - it's a "tightly drawn" contract.

What do we know about them?
Funny isn't it that not a single mainstream News outlet, basically the Tory Apologists, have revealed Mark Bamford Massive Tory Donor & brother to Anthony of JCB fame was the one awarded the No Ferries Seaborne Freight Contract But no Corruption REALLY? http://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2018/12/seaborne-freight-tory-deal-stinks.html …
And this
"
[B]Cathy Newman[/B]‏Verified account @[B]cathynewman[/B] 4h4 hours ago
When I asked him about THAT £14m No Deal #Brexit contract with a ferry company which has no ferries and has never operated a ferry route, Transport Secretary #ChrisGrayling repeatedly refused to confirm if any other businesses formally bid.

And this Government is going to make the Brexit Dream Blossom?
The magic Money tree strikes again, nice little earner there....

 

[oldgroaner]

That is the most boring post you, ve ever made OG. Give it a rest , have a beer, put football on and cheer up for gawds sake.

The truth is boring, but then that is the nature of the truth after all.

 

[Danidl]

This is essentially what is wrong with the idea of Brexit
"Transport Secretary Chris Grayling defends awarding contract for running ferries in a no deal Brexit to Seaborne Freight, despite it never running a ferry service before. "I make no apologies for supporting a new British business," he says - it's a "tightly drawn" contract.

What do we know about them?
Funny isn't it that not a single mainstream News outlet, basically the Tory Apologists, have revealed Mark Bamford Massive Tory Donor & brother to Anthony of JCB fame was the one awarded the No Ferries Seaborne Freight Contract But no Corruption REALLY? http://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2018/12/seaborne-freight-tory-deal-stinks.html …
And this
"
[B]Cathy Newman[/B]‏Verified account @[B]cathynewman[/B] 4h4 hours ago
When I asked him about THAT £14m No Deal #Brexit contract with a ferry company which has no ferries and has never operated a ferry route, Transport Secretary #ChrisGrayling repeatedly refused to confirm if any other businesses formally bid.

And this Government is going to make the Brexit Dream Blossom?
The magic Money tree strikes again, nice little earner there....

Very simply that is the role that an opposition is supposed to query. Public tendering for public contracts is a normal part of government business. In fact it is an EU regulation ,that contracts need to be published in the EU Gazzette.. actual name escapes me at present. It would only be in very extreme circumstances that contracts be awarded outsude that .

 

[wheeler]

Very simply that is the role that an opposition is supposed to query. Public tendering for public contracts is a normal part of government business. In fact it is an EU regulation ,that contracts need to be published in the EU Gazzette.. actual name escapes me at present. It would only be in very extreme circumstances that contracts be awarded outsude that .

There you go.

https://www.ojec.com/whatistheojec.aspx

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Guardian
"
UK manufacturers facing biggest worker shortage in 30 years
Brexit blamed as 81% of manufacturers and 70% of service sector firms report difficulties finding skilled staff
Britain’s manufacturers are facing the biggest shortage of skilled workers since 1989 amid record levels of UK employment and falling numbers of EU27 nationals coming to the country to work since the Brexit vote.
The British Chambers of Commerce (BCC) said more than four-fifths of manufacturers struggled to hire the right staff in the final months of 2018.
In a survey of more than 6,000 employers across the country, the lobby group found 81% of manufacturers and 70% of service sector firms reported difficulties with finding staff with the right qualifications and experience.
Adam Marshall, the director general of the BCC, said the government urgently needed to recognise the magnitude of the recruitment difficulties firms faced as ministers prepared to introduce restrictions on EU nationals working in the UK after Brexit.

This is where reality and the wishes of the Brexit Voters part company, for on the one hand they want these cream of the crop jobs to go to British workers.
But in reality neither employers or the government will pay for that or wait.

So what will happen is "Free Movement by another name " lets call it controlled immigration will put the clock back to square one before the referendum (or worse)

Brexiteers, Are you sure you knew what you were voting for? and are you willing to put up with this betrayal?

 

[OxygenJames]

This is essentially what is wrong with the idea of Brexit
"Transport Secretary Chris Grayling defends awarding contract for running ferries in a no deal Brexit to Seaborne Freight, despite it never running a ferry service before. "I make no apologies for supporting a new British business," he says - it's a "tightly drawn" contract.

What do we know about them?
Funny isn't it that not a single mainstream News outlet, basically the Tory Apologists, have revealed Mark Bamford Massive Tory Donor & brother to Anthony of JCB fame was the one awarded the No Ferries Seaborne Freight Contract But no Corruption REALLY? http://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2018/12/seaborne-freight-tory-deal-stinks.html …
And this
"
[B]Cathy Newman[/B]‏Verified account @[B]cathynewman[/B] 4h4 hours ago
When I asked him about THAT £14m No Deal #Brexit contract with a ferry company which has no ferries and has never operated a ferry route, Transport Secretary #ChrisGrayling repeatedly refused to confirm if any other businesses formally bid.

And this Government is going to make the Brexit Dream Blossom?
The magic Money tree strikes again, nice little earner there....

Once again you're revealing your lack of knowledge about basic economics.

So what if they don't have any ferries right now - that doesn't mean anything. They have agreed to get them if and when they do (need them). Basic contractual stuff going on.

So - what't the story here? Basically this: To deal with Brexit possibilities the government has decided to hire a bit of extra ferry capacity. However - you (and The Guardian amongst others) are getting very het up about the idea that one of the companies hired has never run a ferry, has no ferries and so, well, why have they been hired?

One useful answer is that there is no Ramsgate to Ostend ferry at present so no company in the world – no extant at least, the last went bust – has the active experience of running a Ramsgate to Ostend ferry. Whoever is chosen is going to be coming at this for the first time therefore. That the people selected are coming at this for the first time is less of a surprise at this point.

But, you know: outrage!

"One of the companies contracted by the government to charter ferries in the event of a no-deal Brexit does not own any ships, has not previously operated a ferry service and is not planning to do so until close to the UK’s scheduled departure date from the European Union, it has emerged."​

A company is just a legal form of organisation. It exists to organise to do something. And that’s all it is. It can hire or lease the machinery – here the ferries – and all that. It’s just the legal structure within which all of this is done. You know, the legal form by which all of he various assets and knowledge to achieve the task are hired? There is no there there in a company other than what is hired in.

Either government shouldn’t be doing it as it has no ships or Seabourne’s just fine as the managers of a contract rather than the owners of the assets.

You don’t get to have it both ways….

 

[oldgroaner]

Once again you're revealing your lack of knowledge about basic economics.

So what if they don't have any ferries right now - that doesn't mean anything. They have agreed to get them if and when they do (need them). Basic contractual stuff going on.

You're making it obvious that you have not the first clue about business – well, actually, not having the first clue about how the world works. To deal with Brexit possibilities the government has decided to hire a bit of extra ferry capacity.

However - you (and The Guardian amongst others) are getting very het up about the idea that one of the companies hired has never run a ferry, has no ferries and so, well, why have they been hired?

One useful answer is that there is no Ramsgate to Ostend ferry at present so no company in the world – no extant at least, the last went bust – has the active experience of running a Ramsgate to Ostend ferry. Whoever is chosen is going to be coming at this for the first time therefore. That the people selected are coming at this for the first time is less of a surprise at this point.

But, you know: outrage!

"One of the companies contracted by the government to charter ferries in the event of a no-deal Brexit does not own any ships, has not previously operated a ferry service and is not planning to do so until close to the UK’s scheduled departure date from the European Union, it has emerged."​

A company is just a legal form of organisation. It exists to organise to do something. And that’s all it is. It can hire or lease the machinery – here the ferries – and all that. It’s just the legal structure within which all of this is done. You know, the legal form by which all of he various assets and knowledge to achieve the task are hired? There is no there there in a company other than what is hired in.

Either government shouldn’t be doing it as it has no ships or Seabourne’s just fine as the managers of a contract rather than the owners of the assets.

You don’t get to have it both ways….

You are making yourself look even more foolish than ever with your magical instant solutions.
Where are you doing to hire an instant operational port? stop being naive
Face reality these were just sound bytes to con the slow witted that the government was doing something.
I by the way ,live in a port, Hull, we used to the be third largest but containerisation is the problem where ports in Rivers literally run aground.
If you knew a fraction of what you imagine you do the scale of the problem would be obvious even to you.
You can't start a port up overnight by hiring a few ships,it is an enormous enterprise.
And capacity in the existing container ports are already very busy.
This is not the way to handle a complex situation
I doubt that even the Government believes this will work, it is simply a bluff to try and con concessions out of the EU.

 

[oldgroaner]

Bloomberg are not impressed
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-02/no-deal-brexit-despite-preparations-the-u-k-is-not-ready
No One Is Ready for a No-Deal Brexit
By pretending to prepare for calamity, the government is deluding itself — and its citizens.
In many cases it doesn't have to, they are that unable to face reality they have convinced themselves all will be well

 

[Woosh]

if parliament cannot reach a deal, I am convinced that the opposition will start a motion to extend A50.
This is the outcome that the hard brexiters know that will get the majority in the house and with it, brexit will probably be stopped by its own mounting costs and difficulties.

 

[Zlatan]

Bloomberg are not impressed
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-02/no-deal-brexit-despite-preparations-the-u-k-is-not-ready
No One Is Ready for a No-Deal Brexit
By pretending to prepare for calamity, the government is deluding itself — and its citizens.
In many cases it doesn't have to, they are that unable to face reality they have convinced themselves all will be well

You turn coat. I quoted Bloomberg and you insisted it knew nothing... Pick and chose OG... But I agree with them on this ASWELL..

 

[50Hertz]

In the Guardian
"
UK manufacturers facing biggest worker shortage in 30 years
Brexit blamed as 81% of manufacturers and 70% of service sector firms report difficulties finding skilled staff
Britain’s manufacturers are facing the biggest shortage of skilled workers since 1989 amid record levels of UK employment and falling numbers of EU27 nationals coming to the country to work since the Brexit vote.
The British Chambers of Commerce (BCC) said more than four-fifths of manufacturers struggled to hire the right staff in the final months of 2018.
In a survey of more than 6,000 employers across the country, the lobby group found 81% of manufacturers and 70% of service sector firms reported difficulties with finding staff with the right qualifications and experience.
Adam Marshall, the director general of the BCC, said the government urgently needed to recognise the magnitude of the recruitment difficulties firms faced as ministers prepared to introduce restrictions on EU nationals working in the UK after Brexit.

This is where reality and the wishes of the Brexit Voters part company, for on the one hand they want these cream of the crop jobs to go to British workers.
But in reality neither employers or the government will pay for that or wait.

So what will happen is "Free Movement by another name " lets call it controlled immigration will put the clock back to square one before the referendum (or worse)

Brexiteers, Are you sure you knew what you were voting for? and are you willing to put up with this betrayal?

What will happen is that people with the appropriate skills will be encouraged and allowed to come to the U.K. That principle was stated at the outset. To control immigration was the plan. It’s the unskilled workers or those with skills which are in surplus that will be restricted. It’s very easy to understand if you want to understand it.

 

[Woosh]

What will happen is that people with the appropriate skills will be encouraged and allowed to come to the U.K. That principle was stated at the outset. To control immigration was the plan. It’s the unskilled workers or those with skills which are in surplus that will be restricted. It’s very easy to understand if you want to understand it.

EU migration is still unrestricted at the moment and won't be changed during the transition period and yet we already have experienced a shortage of skilled workforce which can only be the result of the referendum.

 

[oldgroaner]

What will happen is that people with the appropriate skills will be encouraged and allowed to come to the U.K. That principle was stated at the outset. To control immigration was the plan. It’s the unskilled workers or those with skills which are in surplus that will be restricted. It’s very easy to understand if you want to understand it.

It is indeed very easy to understand, so why did you fail to do so?
It means the best jobs will always go to foreign ready trained labour to the exclusion of our own brightest and best kids , so how did you fail to understand that?

Talk about kidding yourself!
Under this scheme there is no future for our kids as the Government and companies want cheap already trained labour they can ship it at no training costs.
Our kids will end up in lower value jobs.
What happened to the best jobs going to locals who have been trained?
You have the oddest idea of what Brexit was supposed to mean.

Brexit means a benefit for foreigners over our own kids because it's a cheaper answer.
It's all very easy to understand all right and it's evil.
Did you vote for that?

 

[Danidl]

Once again you're revealing your lack of knowledge about basic economics.

So what if they don't have any ferries right now - that doesn't mean anything. They have agreed to get them if and when they do (need them). Basic contractual stuff going on.

So - what't the story here? Basically this: To deal with Brexit possibilities the government has decided to hire a bit of extra ferry capacity. However - you (and The Guardian amongst others) are getting very het up about the idea that one of the companies hired has never run a ferry, has no ferries and so, well, why have they been hired?

One useful answer is that there is no Ramsgate to Ostend ferry at present so no company in the world – no extant at least, the last went bust – has the active experience of running a Ramsgate to Ostend ferry. Whoever is chosen is going to be coming at this for the first time therefore. That the people selected are coming at this for the first time is less of a surprise at this point.

But, you know: outrage!

"One of the companies contracted by the government to charter ferries in the event of a no-deal Brexit does not own any ships, has not previously operated a ferry service and is not planning to do so until close to the UK’s scheduled departure date from the European Union, it has emerged."​

A company is just a legal form of organisation. It exists to organise to do something. And that’s all it is. It can hire or lease the machinery – here the ferries – and all that. It’s just the legal structure within which all of this is done. You know, the legal form by which all of he various assets and knowledge to achieve the task are hired? There is no there there in a company other than what is hired in.

Either government shouldn’t be doing it as it has no ships or Seabourne’s just fine as the managers of a contract rather than the owners of the assets.

You don’t get to have it both ways….

I dont think your analysis holds up to scrutiny.. if one was trying out say a bus route between two villages you might might expect you might expect the company to have run bus services between other villages ,or perhaps a taxi service between the villages in question. You would then do a due diligence to check whether they had the financial resources to buy a bus and the competence to insure it and get a public service licence.
The best way to ensure this was invented by your Samuel Pepys ,who introduced public procurement competitions some 300 years ago ..and for your Royal Navy.
So no you cannot have it both ways

 

[Danidl]

EU migration is still unrestricted at the moment and won't be changed during the transition period and yet we already have experienced a shortage of skilled workforce which can only be the result of the referendum.

Transition period is currently zero seconds post 29th March.,That is unless a deal is struck. The reason that the UK is currently suffering from reduced immigration of skilled EU personnel is that these people have feelings too,and did not appreciate the barrage of insults over the past 3 years.
What one sows one reaps

 

[Woosh]

Either government shouldn’t be doing it as it has no ships or Seabourne’s just fine as the managers of a contract rather than the owners of the assets.

'Managers of a contract' - that's the problem in country.
why bother doing or making something when you can make plenty of money managing a contract.

 

[OxygenJames]

You are making yourself look even more foolish than ever with your magical instant solutions.
Where are you doing to hire an instant operational port? stop being naive
Face reality these were just sound bytes to con the slow witted that the government was doing something.
I by the way ,live in a port, Hull, we used to the be third largest but containerisation is the problem where ports in Rivers literally run aground.
If you knew a fraction of what you imagine you do the scale of the problem would be obvious even to you.
You can't start a port up overnight by hiring a few ships,it is an enormous enterprise.
And capacity in the existing container ports are already very busy.
This is not the way to handle a complex situation
I doubt that even the Government believes this will work, it is simply a bluff to try and con concessions out of the EU.

You do talk a lot of b*****s. Ports are no where near running at capacity. And ships can be hired anytime you want.

 

[OxygenJames]

'Managers of a contract' - that's the problem in country.
why bother doing or making something when you can make plenty of money managing a contract.

Because you make more money like that! Doh!!!

Hence our wages (where we tend to manage things) are higher than in China (where they tend to make things).

 

[Danidl]

if parliament cannot reach a deal, I am convinced that the opposition will start a motion to extend A50.
This is the outcome that the hard brexiters know that will get the majority in the house and with it, brexit will probably be stopped by its own mounting costs and difficulties.

I hope and expect you are correct. But kicking the can down the roaad, without a resolution will just continue to drive a malaise in the UK. Neither in nor out, paying money into EU for continued access, without any say in decision making. The staus of a proud country woukd be reduced in stature to that of the Isle of Man .
It is only by formally withdrawing A50, that it can regain its former rights.

 

[Woosh]

But kicking the can down the roaad, without a resolution will just continue to drive a malaise in the UK. Neither in nor out, paying money into EU for continued access, without any say in decision making. The staus of a proud country woukd be reduced in stature to that of the Isle of Man .
It is only by formally withdrawing A50, that it can regain its former rights.

Kicking the can down the road has served us well in the last 43 years so it's got its merits.
The fundamental issue is not just the nature of economics, people and countries are flexible and will adapt, so using economics to beat the brexiters or to claim that they don't understand is not going to change the way they vote. You have to wait for the real reasons of why they (the brexiters) voted out to change themselves. Take the issue of FOM. Only shortages of skilled labour will remove that issue. Already the shortage in the NHS has blunted that issue. Take the issue of sovereignty. Only a deal with Mr Trump or UK joining the TPTP will put that issue to rest.
You will have to wait for demography to swing the votes.