Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

You do talk a lot of b*****s. Ports are no where near running at capacity. And ships can be hired anytime you want.

"Ships" probably can be hired/chartered readily.

The availability of suitable vessels - that can operate from Ramsgate and Ostend harbours, that are in acceptable state of repair, that can accommodate the required cargo (HGV roro, I assume), etc., narrows down the options dramatically.

I doubt anyone operating a ferry service would expect a ship to turn up in Ramsgate harbour, be crewed, fuelled, supplied, and ready to sail on 29/03/2019 without having done some trials. Which further reduces the window for them to get this operation underway.

I do not know if there is any need for tugs at Ramsgate, particularly for modern roro vessels with directed thrust, but I'd like to think that such support is available to cope with breakdowns, etc. Anyone know if they are?

 

[jonathan.agnew]

you`ve probably missed my previous question or you can`t think of an answer but....

Dear Jon/Tom,
Just in case you haven`t noticed this is an Ebike forum, the title `Pedelecs` sorta gives it away.
When a new member joins this site believe it or not it`s because either he/she has an ebike, about to buy an ebike or just has a genuine interest in ebikes. The first thing they will do is either seek information or relate their pleasure in this great mode of transport.
You on the other hand have made a bee-line straight for this Brexit thread -
since you joined you have not made a post about ebikes at all.... all of your 28 posts just in this thread!!!.................

https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/search/26121/

so Jon lets tell the guys and gals why you`ve only posted in this thread ??

This is off topic, but I'm responding to a question in a previous post, so don't blame me. I'm decidedly ambivalent about ebikes, and trying an increasing number (kalkhoff, bosch, yamaha, even whisper) hasn't helped. The crux is that I'm old enough to need all the exercise I can get, and that the money that buys a mediocre pedelec (say 2k) buys a very good ordinary bike (rohloff equipped tourer, good titanium road bike, which is a much better platform to get fitter on). I think in an ideal world I'd prefer assistance that's extremely light and subtle, but this does not seem to exist. Do any of you find yourself in a similar position?

 

[jonathan.agnew]

This is off topic, but I'm responding to a question in a previous post, so don't blame me. I'm decidedly ambivalent about ebikes, and trying an increasing number (kalkhoff, bosch, yamaha, even whisper) hasn't helped. The crux is that I'm old enough to need all the exercise I can get, and that the money that buys a mediocre pedelec (say 2k) buys a very good ordinary bike (rohloff equipped tourer, good titanium road bike, which is a much better platform to get fitter on). I think in an ideal world I'd prefer assistance that's extremely light and subtle, but this does not seem to exist. Do any of you find yourself in a similar position?

 

[oldgroaner]

You do talk a lot of b*****s. Ports are no where near running at capacity. And ships can be hired anytime you want.

Stop writing complete rubbish about something you know nothing about.
It takes a great deal of time to set up large scale operations of the type that would be required.

 

[50Hertz]

It is indeed very easy to understand, so why did you fail to do so?
It means the best jobs will always go to foreign ready trained labour to the exclusion of our own brightest and best kids , so how did you fail to understand that?

Talk about kidding yourself!
Under this scheme there is no future for our kids as the Government and companies want cheap already trained labour they can ship it at no training costs.
Our kids will end up in lower value jobs.
What happened to the best jobs going to locals who have been trained?
You have the oddest idea of what Brexit was supposed to mean.

Brexit means a benefit for foreigners over our own kids because it's a cheaper answer.
It's all very easy to understand all right and it's evil.
Did you vote for that?

On the one hand you are arguing for remaining within the EU and the unrestricted free movement of people and labour which comes with that. But at the same time you are saying that as a result of free movement, "the best jobs will always go to foreign ready trained labour to the exclusion of our own brightest and best kids". Then, unbelievably, on the other hand you are arguing that by restricting free movement and being selective about who is allowed into the country based on skills, will also result in our workers being sidelined into low skilled jobs. You are all over the place. The only constant is your persistent and unrelenting attack on the UK, regardless of what it does or tries to achieve.

Why can't you appreciate that the intention is to encourage people to come to the UK who have skills which are needed here and to restrict the number of people who have skills which are in surplus? It is a very simple and easy to understand principle. I think the problem is that you don't want to understand it, because if you did, your supply of anti-Brexit, anti-UK ammunition would dry up.

 

[oldgroaner]

Because you make more money like that! Doh!!!

Hence our wages (where we tend to manage things) are higher than in China (where they tend to make things).

strange how many of our "managing companies" have gone down in ruin recently.
Once again you reveal how little you know.

 

[oldgroaner]

On the one hand you are arguing for remaining within the EU and the unrestricted free movement of people and labour which comes with that. But at the same time you are saying that as a result of free movement, "the best jobs will always go to foreign ready trained labour to the exclusion of our own brightest and best kids". Then, unbelievably, on the other hand you are arguing that by restricting free movement and being selective about who is allowed into the country based on skills, will also result in our workers being sidelined into low skilled jobs. You are all over the place. The only constant is your persistent and unrelenting attack on the UK, regardless of what it does or tries to achieve.

Why can't you appreciate that the intention is to encourage people to come to the UK who have skills which are needed here and to restrict the number of people who have skills which are in surplus? It is a very simple and easy to understand principle. I think the problem is that you don't want to understand it, because if you did, your supply of anti-Brexit, anti-UK ammunition would dry up.

If you bothered to read up the regulations regarding residency you would understand the situation rather than listen to and believe right wing propaganda.
This statement you made is nonsense
"unrestricted free movement of people and labour which comes with that. "
That is quite simply a lie
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/immigration-rules-appendix-eu
Read and educate yourself.

We have always had control over free movement, but the Government not the EU is the cause of foreigners getting the best jobs
Why are you so slow on the uptake?

While members of the EU we could control immigration just the same as when we leave. But the Government chose not to apply the rules of residency.
Where did you get the idea we couldn't?
The point I am trying to get through to you is that Brexit changes absolutely nothing with regard to the Government importing foreigners into the best jobs to save the cost of training our own people'
You really are not seeing what is actually going on.
After Brexit the situation will simply be worse not better, who are you going to blame then?
Your enemy is not the EU it is the UK Government it has always had the power to control immigration both from member states of the EU and the rest of the World using the rules of residency
And chose not to do so.... yet other EU member states do so, did you know that?

 

[Woosh]

If you bothered to read up the regulations regarding residency you would understand the situation rather than listen to and believe right wing propaganda.

it's not so much the fault of UK government, it's the right wing press that spread stories that EU immigrants are scroungers and benefit cheats. Some do, the vast majority are just people who exercise their rights to work and settle here like my children live and work in France.

 

[OxygenJames]

I dont think your analysis holds up to scrutiny.. if one was trying out say a bus route between two villages you might might expect you might expect the company to have run bus services between other villages ,or perhaps a taxi service between the villages in question. You would then do a due diligence to check whether they had the financial resources to buy a bus and the competence to insure it and get a public service licence.
The best way to ensure this was invented by your Samuel Pepys ,who introduced public procurement competitions some 300 years ago ..and for your Royal Navy.
So no you cannot have it both ways

Another one with scant understanding of how the world actually works.

 

[OxygenJames]

This is off topic, but I'm responding to a question in a previous post, so don't blame me. I'm decidedly ambivalent about ebikes, and trying an increasing number (kalkhoff, bosch, yamaha, even whisper) hasn't helped. The crux is that I'm old enough to need all the exercise I can get, and that the money that buys a mediocre pedelec (say 2k) buys a very good ordinary bike (rohloff equipped tourer, good titanium road bike, which is a much better platform to get fitter on). I think in an ideal world I'd prefer assistance that's extremely light and subtle, but this does not seem to exist. Do any of you find yourself in a similar position?

Probably. But this is the beat-each-other-up-about-Brexit thread so we're not allowed to talk about that here.

 

[OxygenJames]

strange how many of our "managing companies" have gone down in ruin recently.
Once again you reveal how little you know.

Yet more negative drivel from the man desperate to put the country down.

 

[OxygenJames]

On the one hand you are arguing for remaining within the EU and the unrestricted free movement of people and labour which comes with that. But at the same time you are saying that as a result of free movement, "the best jobs will always go to foreign ready trained labour to the exclusion of our own brightest and best kids". Then, unbelievably, on the other hand you are arguing that by restricting free movement and being selective about who is allowed into the country based on skills, will also result in our workers being sidelined into low skilled jobs. You are all over the place. The only constant is your persistent and unrelenting attack on the UK, regardless of what it does or tries to achieve.

Right, right, right, right, right and by gove....... right!

 

[oldgroaner]

Yet more negative drivel from the man desperate to put the country down.

I am desperate to protect MY country from a bunch of malicious hooligans like yourself who through ignorance will damage it's future
Don't try to pass yourself off as patriotic
The only country you are being patriotic to is the Russian Federation

 

[oldgroaner]

Right, right, right, right, right and by gove....... right!

Gove eh? that pretty much sums up what you are and represent.
A mathematical genius like yourself who famously declared he wanted "All schools to be above average"
I can see why he appeals to you.

 

[oldgroaner]

Probably. But this is the beat-each-other-up-about-Brexit thread so we're not allowed to talk about that here.

Feel free to have a go, you might even make sense for once.

 

[flecc]

I think in an ideal world I'd prefer assistance that's extremely light and subtle, but this does not seem to exist. Do any of you find yourself in a similar position?

I'm not in that position but Cytronex cover that light assist market. Either with your own bike and their kit, or choose their kit fitted to one of their Cannondale range.

Their kit is 3.6 kilos all in and is primarily for hill and headwind assist from the small bottle battery and front hub motor, leaving unpowered cycling as normal as possible:

Cytronex

Scroll down to the "order a bike" link if you want to look at their range.
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N.B. This entry about e-bikes in this thread is to balance the occasions when Brexit has been mentioned in the Electric Bicycles forum.
.

 

[OxygenJames]

I am desperate to protect MY country from a bunch of malicious hooligans like yourself who through ignorance will damage it's future
Don't try to pass yourself off as patriotic
The only country you are being patriotic to is the Russian Federation

It's its - not it's. That's the second time correcting you on that.

More evidence that you don't actually learn from your mistakes.

The rest of your nonsense requires no response - as it's nonsense.

 

[OxygenJames]

Gove eh? that pretty much sums up what you are and represent.
A mathematical genius like yourself who famously declared he wanted "All schools to be above average"
I can see why he appeals to you.

Jove James Jove!

Dummie.

 

[OxygenJames]

I'm not in that position but Cytronex cover that light assist market. Either with your own bike and their kit, or choose their kit fitted to one of their Cannondale range.

Their kit is 3.6 kilos all in and is primarily for hill and headwind assist from the small bottle battery and front hub motor, leaving unpowered cycling as normal as possible:

Cytronex

Scroll down to the "order a bike" link if you want to look at their range.
.
N.B. This entry about e-bikes in this thread is to balance the occasions when Brexit has been mentioned in the Electric Bicycles forum.
.

Nice clarification in the NB there Flecc. I hope you're monitoring them closely. We own the rights to talk about Brexit.

 

[Zlatan]

Feel free to have a go, you might even make sense for once.

How would you know..???