IIRC Switzerland's motorway tax is more than that.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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This incompetent PM is worse than I thought; she must be as mad as a box of frogs if she thinks the public will believe her latest outpouring after her unsuccessful trip to Brussels:
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It is rumoured that under questioning from the EU leadership as to what it is she seeks to achieve, one of her responses was, 'Brexit' means 'Brexit!'
As usual, the comic/journalist, David Schneider, has a view on the recent shenanigans at the HofC, this time the outcome of the vote of confidence:
Fair point and well presented Dave!
Tom
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It is rumoured that under questioning from the EU leadership as to what it is she seeks to achieve, one of her responses was, 'Brexit' means 'Brexit!'
As usual, the comic/journalist, David Schneider, has a view on the recent shenanigans at the HofC, this time the outcome of the vote of confidence:
Fair point and well presented Dave!
Tom
what else can she say?
she needs at least 117 + 10 MPs to replace those who openly say that her deal is worse than no deal.
Where is she going to find them? The only place is Labour front bench.
An EU think tank offers yet another hint for a way out of this impasse.
How a second referendum could be the best way to overcome Brexit impasse
A new vote based on the revocation (or not) of Article 50 would give the UK government a clear signal to proceed in one direction or another, and thus trim down the number of options being touted – most of which are unworkable as things stand.
How a second referendum could be the best way to overcome Brexit impasse
A new vote based on the revocation (or not) of Article 50 would give the UK government a clear signal to proceed in one direction or another, and thus trim down the number of options being touted – most of which are unworkable as things stand.
I see Theresa May having following options...
1. Keep trying to renegotiate....seems a waste of time
2. Ignore everything,go walking and wait until the EU starts to panic....might be on March 29....this could be a good option,I personally have often found in business that being unavailable can get results. The EU will have massive problems if we crash out,BMW will not be able to make Minis for example.
3. Offer a second referendum....politically could be a disaster,even violent backlash from the gammons,it would probably get through parliament.
4.Seek another type of deal....is anybody interested.
5. General Election...I think May would rather resign.
KudosDave
1. Keep trying to renegotiate....seems a waste of time
2. Ignore everything,go walking and wait until the EU starts to panic....might be on March 29....this could be a good option,I personally have often found in business that being unavailable can get results. The EU will have massive problems if we crash out,BMW will not be able to make Minis for example.
3. Offer a second referendum....politically could be a disaster,even violent backlash from the gammons,it would probably get through parliament.
4.Seek another type of deal....is anybody interested.
5. General Election...I think May would rather resign.
KudosDave
A peoples vote!
Of course. Why haven't we heard this from every remainer since 2016?
So simple.
It all revolves around what is offered on ref2 and its wording to actually settle anything.
Imagine how divided country would become if let's say 3 outcomes were offered, 2 of which split leave (or remain) and remain won with under 40%...(or vice versa)
Then assume we have a binary ref and the most desired outcome was not even offered. It really isn't as simple as many assume, if that is we want to be in a better place after it.
Like I, ve said before I, d go for the 2nd ref to have May, s deal or Remain... (if we must be consulted again) but that means no deal isn't even an option. (there is support for no deal. Farage has come out of hiding and was on Vine today arguing for a no deal)
There is also a strong argument on democratic grounds for not having another ref...
And, there is an assumption on many parts another vote would show a remain win, which if so would settle things... But it sure as hell is not guaranteed. Imagine a ref2 which said leave and May, s deal doesn't get through... That means we crash out...
I still think in a weeks time MP's will have to pass May's deal. There are more opportunities for unknown and further complications with another ref..But that probably means ref2 is inevitable in current climate.
And to be fair EU has history for offering referendums until the desired result is achieved... Is that really what people want..
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I'd have no deal and remain above Mays deal. And in that order.
The people are already revolting.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6495965/Pro-Brexit-protestors-block-Westminster-Bridge-London-chanting-Brexit-now.html
That's why ref2 would be so difficult and divisive. Our sample of 2 suggests 50% of folk would be aggrieved as it is at moment its 48 %.. (or was, I suspect many of those will have secretly seen the light by now)
Not a problem for the EU, nor even for Germany, just a temporary problem for BMW.
The maximum cost for Germany of all EU sourced trade with the UK ceasing is 7% of their exports. They said long ago they could afford that and actually afforded slightly more in the 2008 recession, thus proving it.
The EU doesn't have that problem, spread over 27 countries as it is. We do since it would cost us half of all our exports, an economic disaster.
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Not since 2016, only since it became apparent that truly Leaving is so impossible.
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I suspect the remainers have been misled around support for leave dwindling. Leavers have had no cause to demonstrate or be vocal. The remainers on the other hand have felt aggrieved so are bound to be more vocal. It's even been evident on here, as Leave appears to become less likely more become interested in expressing their views.
When leavers realise or believe we won't be leaving we will see more joining in on here and generally more conspicuous...
When leavers realise or believe we won't be leaving we will see more joining in on here and generally more conspicuous...
Fine but some relevant posts to the topic are far better
And to be complete:
- in many (most?) EU countries a referendum must have a 3/5ths majority to be a valid result (60% for the math impaired)
Agreed.
Agreed.
There is virtually no support for no deal, Farage is what he's always been, an irrelevance and throwback to the past like Jacob Rees Mogg.
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Dreaming again? and what views have leave been expressing?
Come on do tell us , as all we see is a bunch of Trolls have come on the threat with the intention of venting spleen by disruptive off topic posts to derail the discussion.
And what does that indicate?
They know that Brexit is falling apart, and they have nothing to offer in it's defence.
Click bait from a bigoted Troll. There is no point in you and I even attempting to communicate. I won't answer your posts and I, d be obliged if you reciprocated the blessing.