Brexit, for once some facts.

[Danidl]

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/10/19/asking-the-public-twice-why-do-voters-change-their-minds-in-second-referendums-on-eu-treaties/#Author
No, I, m not thick.. Thanks.
Read the article.
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http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/10/19/asking-the-public-twice-why-do-voters-change-their-minds-in-second-referendums-on-eu-treaties/#Author
No, I, m not thick.. Thanks.
Read the article.
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I did in fact read that article,at the time when this question was previously raised, and as I was a party to the discussion at the time, I attempted to read through the first of the referendum material..as I posted some two weeks ago , it was not in an acceptable form to be voted on. Reading as it did like the modification of a British standard institute BSI . .. If you have ever studied them, you will know what I mean....
When the document was presented a second time, the functions of the individual sections had been clarified to both my and the satisfaction of 2/3 of the Irish people.

 

[Zlatan]

Normally I am prepared to suffer fools gladly however Zlatan is wasting time so I'm using the ignore button

I, ll do same.

 

[Zlatan]

I did in fact read that article,at the time when this question was previously raised, and as I was a party to the discussion at the time, I attempted to read through the first of the referendum material..as I posted some two weeks ago , it was not in an acceptable form to be voted on. Reading as it did like the modification of a British standard institute BSI . .. If you have ever studied them, you will know what I mean....
When the document was presented a second time, the functions of the individual sections had been clarified to both my and the satisfaction of 2/3 of the Irish people.

I didn't offer any reasons I merely pointed out it is far from unique that decisions affecting EU are visited more than once. For which you decided I was thick. Thanks.
Seems your memory is not as it should be. You forgot about the revisited decisions...???

 

[flecc]

Flecc may be better placed to answer, but my understanding is that the UK still has a substantial car industry, but rather than making the branded names ,they are involved in subassembly and piece parts as part of pan European production.. Braking systems , engine management systems , fuel injection ,fuel pumps ,car electrics etc.

Indeed, perhaps a good indication is that Nissan at Sunderland employ some 9,000, while the seven UK companies supplying them and others employ 19,000.

In truth there are almost no national car companies in the 28 EU countries, the EU's Europe has a single integrated car industry scattered thoughout with manufacturing and assembly across many borders. Even the commercial vehicles industry is very integrated now.
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[Danidl]

I didn't offer any reasons I merely pointed out it is far from unique that decisions affecting EU are visited more than once. For which you decided I was thick. Thanks.

Actually what you wrote was that the EU has a history of offering (multiple) referenda.. . . There was an obvious and intended implication.

 

[Zlatan]

Actually what you wrote was that the EU has a history of offering (multiple) referenda.. . . There was an obvious and intended implication.

And it has...
And suggesting so certainly does not justify your insult.
Your apologies would be gracefully received.
I had you as rather more cultured than Tom. Perhaps not.

 

[oldgroaner]

Please also ignore me.

Thank you.

No, and I have decided not to ignore Zlatan after all as I find trolls entertaining.

 

[Zlatan]

No, and I have decided not to ignore Zlatan after all as I find trolls entertaining.

Yes, losing 20% of your readership would be quite devastating to your ego.

 

[oldgroaner]

That's not what I want.

We already had a vote. Regardless of opinions to the contrary we knew what we were voting for - to leave the EU - meaning leave the single market and customs union - out of the jurisdiction of the ECJ - and take back control of our borders.

Everybody made that very very clear. On both sides. So. Back to WTO terms. Plain and simple. Out means out. You don't leave your GF and then go back for sex. That's what May's deal is trying to do.

Make a clean break. It's what we voted for.

Correction you don't speak for anyone else but yourself as to what you voted for,but ignoring that, if we cant kill Brexit in it's tracks, I'm all for a clean Break Brexit and have been all along
Best way to convince the public which side was right....

 

[Fingers]

No, and I have decided not to ignore Zlatan after all as I find trolls entertaining.

Of course. We were just having a little bit of fun at your expense.

 

[oldgroaner]

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/10/19/asking-the-public-twice-why-do-voters-change-their-minds-in-second-referendums-on-eu-treaties/#Author
No, I, m not thick.. Thanks.
Read the article.
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Aren't you lucky ? I decided to "unignore" you as a miracle happened and you posted on topic.
Not quite sure how significant the graphic is except to prove that the yes campaigners ran a better campaign the second time, or is that the point you are trying to make?

 

[oldgroaner]

Of course. We were just having a little bit of fun at your expense.

Ditto

 

[oldgroaner]

Yes, losing 20% of your readership would be quite devastating to your ego.

Actually you have the wrong word there try "Critics"

 

[Zlatan]

Aren't you lucky ? I decided to "unignore" you as a miracle happened and you posted on topic.
Not quite sure how significant the graphic is except to prove that the yes campaigners ran a better campaign the second time, or is that the point you are trying to make?

No, I was saying second referendums are not unique within EU...
I do suspect ref2 is becoming more likely... and that remain will win... But it's to be hoped so because another leave will mean no deal... Which even as a leaver I think would be damaging..
I honestly think the sensible way is to accept May's deal.
But I, d have a bet the result will be close and as I keep telling flecc it is not a fore drawn conclusion. Leave could win.... and then where are we.

 

[oldgroaner]

Here we have a leaver protest AKA "Gammon and Pineapple protest" they were out en- masse (perhaps as many as 50)

Wearing EU regulation Hi Viz gilets and their protest didn't just stop the traffic, but an emergency response vehicle too

Pro Brexit Gammon and Pineapple Protest

Imagine after Brexit when the proverbial hits the fan the damage real numbers of clowns like these will do, when they actually have a real cause for complaint

 

[oldgroaner]

No, I was saying second referendums are not unique within EU...
I do suspect ref2 is becoming more likely... and that remain will win... But it's to be hoped so because another leave will mean no deal... Which even as a leaver I think would be damaging..
I honestly think the sensible way is to accept May's deal.
But I, d have a bet the result will be close and as I keep telling flecc it is not a fore drawn conclusion. Leave could win.... and then where are we.

Pretty much where we are now.........

 

[flecc]

No, I was saying second referendums are not unique within EU...
I do suspect ref2 is becoming more likely... and that remain will win... But it's to be hoped so because another leave will mean no deal... Which even as a leaver I think would be damaging..
I honestly think the sensible way is to accept May's deal.
But I, d have a bet the result will be close and as I keep telling flecc it is not a fore drawn conclusion. Leave could win.... and then where are we.

I agree with most of this, but since parliament cannot solve the problem, a good option would be for the people to decide in a referendum, May's deal or Remain.

But if government or parliament won't grant that, then Norway plus to do the least damage to all parties, preserving all current trade and industries.
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[oldgroaner]

No, I was saying second referendums are not unique within EU...
I do suspect ref2 is becoming more likely... and that remain will win... But it's to be hoped so because another leave will mean no deal... Which even as a leaver I think would be damaging..
I honestly think the sensible way is to accept May's deal.
But I, d have a bet the result will be close and as I keep telling flecc it is not a fore drawn conclusion. Leave could win.... and then where are we.

I am still thinking that May's deal will somehow scrape through, the level of fear among the Tory ranks tends to indicate that is still a possibility

 

[Zlatan]

Pretty much where we are now.........

Agreed...but isn't idea to improve situation...???

 

[Zlatan]

I am still thinking that May's deal will somehow scrape through, the level of fear among the Tory ranks tends to indicate that is still a possibility

Yes, I agree. Can't see them having balls to do anything else... They darent go no deal and darent put a stop to Brexit... Kings of middle of road mediocrity.?? Neither one thing or other.. Not in and not out... Like the result really...