Brexit, for once some facts.

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oldtom

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I have more contempt for all those characters than I do of you.
If I said you're as thick as two short planks, that would be understatement; at least three would be more approximate!

Did you ever consider secondary school or did you reckon you knew it all when you were eleven? It's not too late, you know - you could benefit considerably from the OU as lots of underachievers have discovered.

Tom
 
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Hardly, this isn't King's first outburst of this kind, and like last time, it's sour grapes. He was with the Bank in various posts for almost 25 years including ten years in charge and resented being replaced by Mark Carney when the government lost faith in him.
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Maybe. But it is interesting that 2 people who held the same top of the tree post have completely different viewpoints.

They've been trying to shift Carney for about 4 years now? He's been allowed on for various reasons. Firstly he was allowed to stay as he was seen as a useful idiot to the establishment in project fear and now he's clinging on because 'transition'
 
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oldgroaner

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I guess its contemptuous posts like these that lead me down that avenue. That and the rudeness I spose. The lack of grace doesn't help too. Plus there's the utter lack of self awareness. The constant spamming of threads with random nonsense can be irksome. Your lack of wit. Your misunderstanding of what words mean. The essay length posts of drivel. The constant repetition. Actually now I come to think of it there's quite a lot.
The problem is of course from your point of view you can never advance any facts to support your case, and you came on in any case with the obvious intent on being disruptive, without ever advancing anything even remotely supportive of the leave cause.

You still haven't and it seems never will and then we can add that now you are playing the "victim" card and pretending a level of sophistication that frankly in the light of your previous posts is laughable.
Here's something for you as you put it to "come to think of"
Advance a cogent argument in favour of Brexit being beneficial and cut the crap.
And about this
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The constant spamming of threads with random nonsense can be irksome. Your lack of wit. Your misunderstanding of what words mean. The essay length posts of drivel. The constant repetition. Actually now I come to think of it there's quite a lot."

A better description of your posts would be hard to find
 
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If I said you're as thick as two short planks, that would be understatement; at least three would be more approximate!

Did you ever consider secondary school or did you reckon you knew it all when you were eleven? It's not too late, you know - you could benefit considerably from the OU as lots of underachievers have discovered.

Tom

I will do a course if you can go a day without lying.

I think my precious time is safe.
 
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Maybe. But it is interesting that 2 people who held the same top of the tree post have completely different viewpoints.

They've been trying to shift Carney for about 4 years now? He's been allowed on for various reasons. Firstly he was allowed to stay as he was seen as a useful idiot to the establishment in project fear and now he's clinging because 'transition'
Carney dealt with the devaluation of the Pound just after the 2016 referendum. His decisions were later proven correct, inflation was relatively modest (3%), the Pound found a floor at $1.25. Housing market held up OK.
King was fumbling for a few years before he got put to pasture. His handling of the banking crisis was OK-ish. No comparison really against Mark Carney.
 

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The problem is of course from your point of view you can never advance any facts to support your case, and you came on in any case with the obvious intent on being disruptive, without ever advancing anything even remotely supportive of the leave cause.

You still haven't and it seems never will and then we can add that now you are playing the "victim" card and pretending a level of sophistication that frankly in the light of your previous posts is laughable.
Here's something for you as you put it to "come to think of"
Advance a cogent argument in favour of Brexit being beneficial and cut the crap.

The argument is done. Why can you not grasp this simple concept?

I never reply to your screams and pleadings because its done.

We are just working out the exit now. That is what the argument is now.

Do keep up.
 

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Does he?
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Carney insisted:

We had a core team of 20 senior economists working on this for a couple of years.

They drew in another 150 professionals from across the Bank. Plus two senior committees, the MPC and the FPC [the monetary and financial policy committees].

There’s no exam crisis. We didn’t just stay up all night and write a letter to the Treasury Committee. You asked for something that we had, and we brought it and we gave it to you."

And King is giving the result of how many people's research?
 
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The argument is done. Why can you not grasp this simple concept?

I never reply to your screams and pleadings because its done.

We are just working out the exit now. That is what the argument is now.

Do keep up.
You misunderstand as usual, the argument is not done, it is only now beginning, and you still haven't a clue as to how to advance an argument in favour of what is going on, nor have the slightest idea of the consequences of action likely to be taken, have you?
All you've got is "we won , get over it."
Let me make myself clear
These are our courses of action ranked in terms of desirability from my point of view
  1. the Government cancels Brexit
  2. There is referendum and we stay in the EU
  3. There is a referendum and we leave with no deal
  4. There isn't a referendum and we leave with No deal
  5. May's deal is accepted and we leave on that basis
Why that order? Choices one and two mean we stay in the EU
Choices three and four cause the most damage and make the public realise that applying to rejoin the EU is Urgent
Choice five also ends up with us rejoining the EU, in the end but gives the Tories longer to damage the economy and sell off the family silver before the Public come to their senses and demand we rejoin the EU.
 
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  • the Government cancels Brexit
  • There is referendum and we stay in the EU
  • There is a referendum and we leave with no deal
  • There isn't a referendum and we leave with No deal
  • May's deal is accepted and we leave on that basis
Choice 5 (May's deal) is my preferred outcome at the moment.
It is relatively stable and keeps our options open.
In a few years, we shall see how the EU cope with various global issues (plastic, renewable energy, refugees, economic migrants, rise of the nationalists, the Euro, the EU army, seat at the security Council etc). If they manage to solve all these problems then I think we should rejoin.
 

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I don't know. Maybe we have given up making things too soon because we assume that stuff is made cheaper elsewhere without really investigating.
Fully agree with you on that point Woosh. The problem is that having given up manufacturing in any technical area,it becomes very expensive to rebuild the infrastructure. .. Japan first then Korea were building cheap tat for maybe 20 years as they constructed their infrastructure. Now Samsung is a world leader. .. mind you it helps if in those 15 years, you can afford to pay a pittance, because cheap tat, only sells when it's well it's cheap.
 
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flecc

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we shall see how the EU cope with various global issues (plastic, renewable energy, refugees, economic migrants, rise of the nationalists, the Euro, the EU army, seat at the security Council etc). If they manage to solve all these problems then I think we should rejoin.
If they solve all that lot the whole world will want to join!
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lol they kick it upstairs to the privileges committee for a month.

Surely they can't do that?
 

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