Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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An historic day apparently, as it is the first time in history the Government has been found in Contempt of Parliament.
Why are they still in office?
Apparently it's meaningless according to constitutional experts. Although parliament is sovereign over government in our unwritten constitution, there is no prescribed punishment so the government can just soldier on. This time though they have conceded to the demand behind the no confidence vote, but that's more to curry favour than giving in.
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Apparently it's meaningless according to constitutional experts. Although parliament is sovereign over government in our unwritten constitution, there is no prescribed punishment so the government can just soldier on. This time though they have conceded to the demand behind the no confidence vote, but that's more to curry favour than giving in.
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I would not be surprised to find that many people consider a government in contempt of parliament should itself be held in contempt. That is, regardless the views of so-called constitutional experts, we the people might be rather upset at this.

Didn't they used to roll out Norman Panayea St John-Stevas, Baron St John of Fawsley to witter on about such issues?
 
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Does Dominic Grieves amendment being accepted make it more likely TMs deal will get through the HOC?

Apparently there were some extremely worried looks on the faces of members of the ERG, because Grieves amendment makes a no deal Brexit now extremely unlikely.
It's a good question 'Nev' but my own view is that it does little to affect that matter.

May's deal is a poor deal which few in the HoC really want to put their name to. No deal is equally undesirable so the MPs want some kind of fudge and after two years, the only fudge in town is May's Chequers deal.

That leaves MPs between a rock and a hard place so if there is some way of passing the buck, I think that's the way it'll go. Look out for a further referendum with remain as one option (of two hopefully!). The other way for the MPs to eschew responsibility is for the government to call an election.

I'm feeling royally entertained by the TV coverage of tonight's proceedings but I have to say that Johnson is an embarrassment to his party and to the electorate. He should be kicked into touch by his constituency party if they are watching this performance which has now degenerated into blatant filibustering.

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It's no good, I really can't believe this headline isn't fake news
From the New European
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May say she won’t debate Corbyn on ITV... because she would miss Strictly"

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk//top-stories/theresa-may-won-t-debate-brexit-on-itv-because-she-will-miss-strictly-come-dancing-1-5804135?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons
I could, just about, believe she said it (or it was said on her behalf), but not that she actually meant it literally.

She is trying to make herself "one of us" - attempting to catch up on the more believable comments JC made about I'm a sleb...
 

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May's deal is a poor deal which few in the HoC really want to put their name to. No deal is equally undesirable so the MPs want some kind of fudge and after two years, the only fudge in town is May's Chequers deal.
Just been listening to a new angle on this via long experienced hardened newsmen,

Based on the surprising level of confidence from Theresa May and sidekicks, they have a theory that it stems from an unannounced but EU approved plan B that will be submitted when the House kicks out her deal as she expects.

Second vote then.
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oldtom

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Unfortunate statement of the day goes to Cressida Dick with this immortal classic
"The Public need to get involved with attacks on the Police."
She is a very poor choice for such an important role and was only appointed through the desperation of the political class to demonstrate there is no glass ceiling in the Met.

She is trigger-happy and attempts to justify her appointment by sounding like General Patton off-camera but with a woman's touch, happily sending her troops into dangerous places but unlike Patton, staying further back from the action than even typical British generals.

Unsurprisingly, the De Menezes family opposed her appointment as can be seen in this link:

de-menezes-family-call-cressida-dick-barred-from-leading-met

That business was an awful piece of policing with secret service co-operation and must have sent shock-waves across the civilised world at our failure in such a simple matter as identification; professional, management-level ineptitude of the worst kind!

I wouldn't trust Cressida Dick in the role of Lollipop Lady, ensuring the safety of kids crossing the road outside school.

Tom
 
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This much publicised police tactic of shunting scum moped robbers off the road makes me laugh. It’s the one that senior police managment are trying to associate themselves with. This is going to last about 5 minutes. It’s only a matter of time before young Winston Jr. gets splattered and then God help the copper behind the wheel. He’s going to feel very lonely when the senior managers disappear and the chinless wonders come out of the shadows. Diane Abbott has already removed the safety catch and is taking aim.
Yep, knew this wouldn`t last long,
our Winston Jr. has just got splattered across the concrete,

cue the impending $hitstorm directed at the officer involved



Met police officer could be charged for ramming moped
A Met Police officer who knocked a teenager off a moped while employing a new ramming tactic could face criminal charges.

The officer carried out the so-called tactical contact to stop the 17-year-old from riding dangerously.

The boy, who was not wearing a helmet, was admitted to hospital with serious head injuries but later discharged.

A decision is due over whether evidence gathered by the police watchdog should be passed to prosecutors.

If he is prosecuted, the officer could be charged with actual bodily harm or grievous bodily harm.

The Met could also decide if there is a case to answer for misconduct, which could result in dismissal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46440172
 
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Yep, knew this wouldn`t last long,
our Winston Jr. has just got splattered across the concrete,

cue the impending $hitstorm directed at the officer involved



Met police officer could be charged for ramming moped
A Met Police officer who knocked a teenager off a moped while employing a new ramming tactic could face criminal charges.

The officer carried out the so-called tactical contact to stop the 17-year-old from riding dangerously.

The boy, who was not wearing a helmet, was admitted to hospital with serious head injuries but later discharged.

A decision is due over whether evidence gathered by the police watchdog should be passed to prosecutors.

If he is prosecuted, the officer could be charged with actual bodily harm or grievous bodily harm.

The Met could also decide if there is a case to answer for misconduct, which could result in dismissal

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46440172
It's worked, the Met has slashed the number of incidents of this phone snatching by moped riders. As far as I'm concerned they can carry on knocking them off their mopeds. I very much doubt the officer will be punished in any way since he was using official policy tactics.
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Apparently it's meaningless according to constitutional experts. Although parliament is sovereign over government in our unwritten constitution, there is no prescribed punishment so the government can just soldier on. This time though they have conceded to the demand behind the no confidence vote, but that's more to curry favour than giving in.
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An unwritten constitution is not worth the paper it's written on!!. Seriously, what is now happening is showing the defects in the UK system. The function of a written constitution is that it limits the powers the state can take from the people.
 

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It's no good, I really can't believe this headline isn't fake news
From the New European
"
May say she won’t debate Corbyn on ITV... because she would miss Strictly"

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk//top-stories/theresa-may-won-t-debate-brexit-on-itv-because-she-will-miss-strictly-come-dancing-1-5804135?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social_Icon&utm_campaign=in_article_social_icons
..well it is coming up to the final(I am reliably informed) and it is this common touch which so endears her to the populace.
 

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How odd that this is in the Express
"
Brexit news: How healthcare and the NHS will suffer, deal or no deal
BREXIT will negatively impact the NHS and health services regardless of a deal, a new report has revealed, with devolved nations set to suffer the most.

How will the NHS be affected?
The report revealed a number of key findings:

STAFFING
Concerns around staffing are compounded by the already existent shortage of healthcare professionals around the UK.

Northern Ireland is a particular concern, already in the grips of a chronic staff shortage.

But cross-border care between Northern Ireland and the Republic is extra cause for concern: if the UK leaves without a deal and a hard border is re-instated, what will become of interacted healthcare services?

 

oldgroaner

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When you hear the trope "The People have spoken" remember this is the reality.

It was in act a marginal factional victory and an uninformed decision at best, polluted by illegal activities, finance and techniques by the Leave campaign
This corrupt result should be either re-run or cancelled out of hand as the result is in fact in breach of the law.
 

oyster

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When you hear the trope "The People have spoken" remember this is the reality.

It was in act a marginal factional victory and an uninformed decision at best, polluted by illegal activities, finance and techniques by the Leave campaign
This corrupt result should be either re-run or cancelled out of hand as the result is in fact in breach of the law.
As we are all aware, some of the actual individuals in the Leave voting group are no longer with us, and some in the Can't vote would now be able to.
 

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