Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

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What’s talked about at Taipei Cycle is that Chinese manufacturers and exporters want to try to avoid the high dumping duties on the e-bikes they export to Europe by shipping them on a completely or semi-knockdown basis. They do not seem to realize that by operating like that they are violating European regulations, which can lead to heavy fines.
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there are clear rules for importing parts in order to avoid anti-circumvention measures. You need to make sure that you can justify that you do assemble bikes. Each shipment's contents can't be re-assembled into an e-bike because essential parts are missing. ie: frames, motors, batteries are shipped separately or bought from different suppliers.
 
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here are the rules:

Exemption request
Assemblers who produce bicycles in the European Union and who, for that purpose, import any of the above-mentioned components from China, may apply for an exemption from these anti-circumvention duties. The basic condition for exemption is as follows. The above-mentioned Chinese parts may not constitute more than 59% of the total value of all parts of the assembled bike. Nevertheless, if during the assembly, the value added to the parts concerned is greater than 25% of the manufacturing cost, circumvention will be automatically excluded. The 59% rule only applies to Chinese parts in the above list.

Contrary to a misunderstanding that seems to be going around, the remaining 41% components do not necessarily have to be European. They may be purchased anywhere else in the world, except in China. Requests for exemption must be made in writing in one of the official languages of the European Union. They must be signed by a person authorized to represent the applicant.

They must be sent to the following address:

European Commission
Directorate-General for External Economic Relations
Unit I/C-3
CORT 100 4/59
Rue de la Loi 200
B – 1049 Brussels
Fax +32 2 295 65 05

Examination
The Commission shall immediately inform the applicant and the Member States of the receipt of the request. Within 45 days of that receipt, the Commission will decide if the request is admissible. Therefore, it has to contain evidence that the applicant uses at least 300 units per bicycle component in the above list per month. It also has to contain prima facie evidence that the assembly does not involve 60% or more Chinese components from the list. Third condition for a request to be admissible is that the applicant has not, within the 12 months prior to the request, been refused exemption or had an exemption revoked.

As from the date of the request, payment of anti-circumvention duties is suspended. The Commission has a maximum of 12 months to examine the request, possibly by means of on-the-spot verifications. In this period, the applicant must keep records of the Chinese parts from the list delivered to him. He must use these parts for assembly, if not, he must destroy or re-export the parts. The records have to be kept for at least 3 years. This obligation continues to apply if the applicant is exempted from the anti-circumvention duties. To date more than 250 exemptions have been granted.

The “de minimis” rule
A decision for exemption will have retroactive effect as from the date of receipt of the request. In case of a negative decision, suspension of payment will be lifted and the duties will be collected. If the imports of parts in the list are less than 300 units per part per month, then exemption applies automatically.

Also, imports of parts from the list, which are declared for free circulation by a non-exempted party, are exempted if delivered to an exempted party. The Commission and the member states can take the initiative to examine the above-mentioned parties. In case of abuse, the anti-circumvention duties will be reclaimed retroactively.
 

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Arlene Foster‏Verified account @DUPleader 59m59 minutes ago

Good to have @DominicRaab in Belfast today. Northern Ireland must not be put in a position which undermines the constitutional or economic integrity of the UK.



Notice Raab has been summoned by the DUP for `discussions` aka `Instructions` in Belfast today.... hopefully the muppet will learn a few tips on the art of Negotiating to begin with,

for example, £2billion obtained for 1.75million of a population - now thats what i call a negotiating masterclass

the present spineless half-wits of this government couldn`t negotiate themselves out of a wet paper bag these days..
 

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Laura Kuensberg:

“I think maybe next Tuesday Theresa May will try and bounce everyone into a deal.
The cabinet has not yet had the discussion about what to do if this is as good as it gets.
And it was put to me by somebody who’s close to the process: it’s possible that next Tuesday might be the day when Theresa May says ‘OK, this is as good as it gets. What you gonna do?
What you gonna do, Jeremy Hunt?
What you gonna do, Dominic Raab? Sajid Javid? Gavin Williamson? Geoffrey Cox?
I know you don’t like it. Are you really really gonna walk out of this cabinet and say that you’d prefer no deal?’
We might suddenly find ourselves in that moment."
 

oldgroaner

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the current difficulties are due to infighting within the conservative party. Outside the PCP, the majority would support a soft brexit where the UK will keep close economic ties but regain control over EU immigration.
Those difficulties are easily overcome with a fresh GE.
No, they are not: only membership of the EU is a satisfactory outcome, anything less is simply letting the country go down in ruin.

We have all the evidence we need that immigration was a red herring, all the leave promises were lies backed up by dodgy finances intended to damage both this nation and the EU, and Brexit is simply a right wing bloodless coup .

Sorry and all that but it simply isn't on to have the future bargained away because some fools wants to protect offshore tax havens, and are prepared to further Putin's European ambitions in order to do so.
 
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oldgroaner

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Arlene Foster‏Verified account @DUPleader 59m59 minutes ago

Good to have @DominicRaab in Belfast today. Northern Ireland must not be put in a position which undermines the constitutional or economic integrity of the UK.



Notice Raab has been summoned by the DUP for `discussions` aka `Instructions` in Belfast today.... hopefully the muppet will learn a few tips on the art of Negotiating to begin with,

for example, £2billion obtained for 1.75million of a population - now thats what i call a negotiating masterclass

the present spineless half-wits of this government couldn`t negotiate themselves out of a wet paper bag these days..
Actually Tommie it's not a "Negotiating masterclass" just a handfull of treacherous Gangsters running a protection racket against the party they are supposed to be part of.
Muppets instructing muppets sums it up.
 

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Are you one of the two million who watched Brexit: The Movie?

Brexit: The Movie producer charged with £500,000 fraud

David Shipley alleged to have Photoshopped wage slips in order to secure loan approval

A hedge fund executive who produced a feature-length Brexit film encouraging Britons to vote leave in the 2016 EU referendum has appeared in court charged with committing a fraud of more than £500,000.


David Shipley, 36, is alleged to have committed fraud by false representation by Photoshopping his wage slips to make it appear he was paid much more than he really was in order to secure a loan approval.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/02/david-shipley-brexit-the-movie-producer-charged-fraud

There seems to have been an awful lot of alleged bad conduct regarding brexit, doesn't there?
 

oldgroaner

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Are you one of the two million who watched Brexit: The Movie?

Brexit: The Movie producer charged with £500,000 fraud

David Shipley alleged to have Photoshopped wage slips in order to secure loan approval

A hedge fund executive who produced a feature-length Brexit film encouraging Britons to vote leave in the 2016 EU referendum has appeared in court charged with committing a fraud of more than £500,000.


David Shipley, 36, is alleged to have committed fraud by false representation by Photoshopping his wage slips to make it appear he was paid much more than he really was in order to secure a loan approval.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/02/david-shipley-brexit-the-movie-producer-charged-fraud

There seems to have been an awful lot of alleged bad conduct regarding brexit, doesn't there?
As the old Bell Clan saying(updated) goes

Verily, a man with no hands would be able to count the honest members and sponsors of the leave campaign on his fingers :p
 
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Are you one of the two million who watched Brexit: The Movie?

Brexit: The Movie producer charged with £500,000 fraud

David Shipley alleged to have Photoshopped wage slips in order to secure loan approval

A hedge fund executive who produced a feature-length Brexit film encouraging Britons to vote leave in the 2016 EU referendum has appeared in court charged with committing a fraud of more than £500,000.


David Shipley, 36, is alleged to have committed fraud by false representation by Photoshopping his wage slips to make it appear he was paid much more than he really was in order to secure a loan approval.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/02/david-shipley-brexit-the-movie-producer-charged-fraud

There seems to have been an awful lot of alleged bad conduct regarding brexit, doesn't there?
Sure that wan't the Great Escape?

 

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From the Pesky Panda web company's Leave EU campaign brief

"Cater for the over 50s with easy clear navigation"

a more succinct summary than this...


Quite appropriate - almost everything to do with leave.uk is registered in Catbrain Lane.

Lysander House
Catbrain Lane
Cribbs Causeway
Bristol, BS10 7TQ
 
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No, they are not: only membership of the EU is a satisfactory outcome, anything less is simply letting the country go down in ruin.

We have all the evidence we need that immigration was a red herring, all the leave promises were lies backed up by dodgy finances intended to damage both this nation and the EU, and Brexit is simply a right wing bloodless coup .

Sorry and all that but it simply isn't on to have the future bargained away because some fools wants to protect offshore tax havens, and are prepared to further Putin's European ambitions in order to do so.

If you were a few years younger you could grind out a future in writing fiction for a living.
 

Fingers

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Good news Folks, this is the agency that provided the leave campaign with its propaganda, enjoy and read the promised future Brexit will bring!
https://peskypanda.co.uk/portfolio/leaveeu/
Here is a sample




Sorry I shouldn't laugh :D

Do you remember when your heroes of remain said if you don’t vote remain we would have WW3?

That was a doozey.

Difference was, they were the ACTUAL government!

Lies were pedalled both sides.
 

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Fair Vote have dug a lot of dirt

https://fairvote.uk/tag/leave-eu/
Do you remember when your heroes of remain said if you don’t vote remain we would have WW3?
Link and name/s for who said that? I think I saw claimed that European alliances of practical mutual benefits wiould suffer if we left the herd and we'd be weaker as a consequence - but I can't recall reading / hearing what you said as an overt remain campaign message.
 

oldgroaner

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Do you remember when your heroes of remain said if you don’t vote remain we would have WW3?

That was a doozey.

Difference was, they were the ACTUAL government!

Lies were pedalled both sides.
Well done, you have aired yet another Urban Myth, so this time I present in full the Speech where this rumour is sourced from

David Camerons Speech on the UK's strength and security in the EU 9th May 2016
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-speech-on-the-uks-strength-and-security-in-the-eu-9-may-2016

This rumour was discussed widely, investigated and debunked on Twitter
  1. James O'Brien‏Verified account @mrjamesob


    Did the World War 3 claim cited as 'proof' that 'Remain lied too' begin with Boris Johnson misrepresenting Cameron? That's all I can find.
  2. Steve Analyst‏ @EmporersNewC 7 Aug 2017


    Replying to @mrjamesob


    Yes it did, David Cameron called into the Marr show to clarify he didn't say it, and made a statement to that effect in Parliament.



    This is the relevent part of the speech that Johnson turned into something else as usual
  3. "
    First: Europe is our immediate neighbourhood, and what happens on the continent affects us profoundly, whether we like it or not.

    Our history teaches us: the stronger we are in our neighbourhood, the stronger we are in the world.

    For 2,000 years, our affairs have been intertwined with the affairs of Europe. For good or ill, we have written Europe’s history just as Europe has helped to write ours.

    From Caesar’s legions to the wars of the Spanish Succession, from the Napoleonic Wars to the fall of the Berlin Wall.

    Proud as we are of our global reach and our global connections, Britain has always been a European power, and we always will be.

    We know that to be a global power and to be a European power are not mutually exclusive.

    And the moments of which we are rightly most proud in our national story include pivotal moments in European history.

    Blenheim. Trafalgar. Waterloo. Our country’s heroism in the Great War.

    And most of all our lone stand in 1940, when Britain stood as a bulwark against a new dark age of tyranny and oppression.

    When I sit in the Cabinet Room, I never forget the decisions that were taken in that room in those darkest of times.

    When I fly to European summits in Brussels from RAF Northolt, I pass a Spitfire just outside the airfield, a vital base for brave RAF and Polish pilots during the Battle of Britain.

    I think of the Few who saved this country in its hour of mortal danger, and who made it possible for us to go on and help liberate Europe.

    Like any Brit, my heart swells with pride at the sight of that aircraft, or whenever I hear the tell-tale roar of those Merlin engines over our skies in the summer.

    Defiant, brave, indefatigable.

    But it wasn’t through choice that Britain was alone. Churchill never wanted that. Indeed he spent the months before the Battle of Britain trying to keep our French allies in the war, and then after France fell, he spent the next 18 months persuading the United States to come to our aid.

    And in the post-war period he argued passionately for Western Europe to come together, to promote free trade, and to build institutions which would endure so that our continent would never again see such bloodshed.

    Isolationism has never served this country well. Whenever we turn our back on Europe, sooner or later we come to regret it.

    We have always had to go back in, and always at a much higher cost.

    The serried rows of white headstones in lovingly-tended Commonwealth war cemeteries stand as silent testament to the price that this country has paid to help restore peace and order in Europe.

    Can we be so sure that peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking?

    I would never be so rash as to make that assumption.

    It’s barely been 20 years since war in the Balkans and genocide on our continent in Srebrenica. In the last few years, we have seen tanks rolling into Georgia and Ukraine. And of this I am completely sure.

    The European Union has helped reconcile countries which were once at each others’ throats for decades. Britain has a fundamental national interest in maintaining common purpose in Europe to avoid future conflict between European countries.

    And that requires British leadership, and for Britain to remain a member. The truth is this: what happens in our neighbourhood matters to Britain.

    That was true in 1914, in 1940 and in 1989. Or, you could add 1588, 1704 and 1815. And it is just as true in 2016.

    Either we influence Europe, or it influences us.

    And if things go wrong in Europe, let’s not pretend we can be immune from the consequences.

It was never said, was it? I have outlined the sentence Boris Johnson and the Press embroidered, lied about and changed into what they wanted to kid you with.

It worked? didn't it, as they knew Brexit voters never bothered to check the truth of what they were being told.

Sorry Fingers you have been well an truly mislead on this as with so many other things
 
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oldgroaner

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If you were a few years younger you could grind out a future in writing fiction for a living.
That perhaps would allow me to get through to you, as the truth seems unable to penetrate the fantasy you have allowed to cloud your judgement and hide inside

And here is something even you can't deny from one of the champions of Leave Peter Oborne
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Today I am asking readers to indulge me in a mental experiment. Let’s imagine that Jeremy Corbyn won last year’s General Election and became prime minister.

And let’s also imagine that soon afterwards rumours emerged that Labour’s biggest political donor was not what he seemed. And that the real source of the money was none other than Vladimir Putin’s Kremlin.

Let’s further suppose that investigators establish close links between the Russian Ambassador in London and Mr Corbyn’s donor.

Finally, let’s imagine that last week the police made the bombshell announcement they were investigating the funding of the Labour election campaign amidst growing fears that Russian money had influenced the result.
There would be a national outcry, and outraged claims that Mr Corbyn was an instrument of the Russian regime who had stolen victory from the Tories.

No doubt some prominent Labour MPs would add their voices to the clamour.

As for Corbyn himself, the PM would face being called to the floor of the House of Commons and accused of high treason.

This is because our system of representative democracy is built around fairness. Funding for elections should be open for all to see. The laws are there to stop big money, or secret interests, from winning power.

Now, shockingly, there is a suspicion that a foreign power may have been a source of funding for the Brexit campaign"

Well Fingers, how do you explain that one of the architects of Brexit is saying this if it isn't likely to be true?
By the way have you any more Urban Myths like that Porkie for me to shoot down in flames?
Great Fun!
 
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