Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Fair Vote have dug a lot of dirt

https://fairvote.uk/tag/leave-eu/


Link and name/s for who said that? I think I saw claimed that European alliances of practical mutual benefits wiould suffer if we left the herd and we'd be weaker as a consequence - but I can't recall reading / hearing what you said as an overt remain campaign message.

Oh come now, you surely don't expect Fingers to provide proof, do you? no one can, this is fiction.

 

[oldtom]

In the Daily Mail
"
PETER OBORNE: I voted for Brexit, but claims of Russian influence are deeply troubling.

Fascinating!

Oborne - part of the enemy within!

Tom

 

[oldtom]

More comedy out of the nonsense that is 'Brexit':



…….then, there is this from Raab C Brexit (sic):



Although I know the meaning of the word 'sleekit', I wasn't sure it was included in British dictionaries so I checked -

sleekit | ˈsliːkɪt
adjective
1 Scottish artfully flattering or ingratiating.
• sly or cunning: his sleekit public image is going to make permanent fame a daunting challenge.
2 literary having a glossy skin or surface.

Tom

 

[oyster]

In the Daily Mail
"
PETER OBORNE: I voted for Brexit, but claims of Russian influence are deeply troubling.

Fascinating!

Quite strongly argued. Fundamentally, his choice of Corbyn and Labour as the "Russia-backed" basis of a thought experiment does rightly point out how strong the backlash from the DM and "friends" would be.

I part company when he goes on to welcome Cameron back into politics...

 

[oldgroaner]

Quite strongly argued. Fundamentally, his choice of Corbyn and Labour as the "Russia-backed" basis of a thought experiment does rightly point out how strong the backlash from the DM and "friends" would be.

I part company when he goes on to welcome Cameron back into politics...

Well they can't get the janitors they need these days in the HOC

 

[oldgroaner]

Quite strongly argued. Fundamentally, his choice of Corbyn and Labour as the "Russia-backed" basis of a thought experiment does rightly point out how strong the backlash from the DM and "friends" would be.

I part company when he goes on to welcome Cameron back into politics...

And it's also instructive how obstructive and slight the reaction to these investigations we are getting from the Conservatives!

 

[oldgroaner]

More comedy out of the nonsense that is 'Brexit':

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…….then, there is this from Raab C Brexit (sic):

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Although I know the meaning of the word 'sleekit', I wasn't sure it was included in British dictionaries so I checked -

sleekit | ˈsliːkɪt
adjective
1 Scottish artfully flattering or ingratiating.
• sly or cunning: his sleekit public image is going to make permanent fame a daunting challenge.
2 literary having a glossy skin or surface.

Tom

Here's another one for you "Scunners" the lot of 'em!
as in "git oot o' ma face ya wee scunner“

 

[oldgroaner]

When a man is being prosecuted, why does the BBC give him a chance to drum up public support?

1. 
   
   
2. James O'Brien Retweeted
   James Felton‏Verified account @JimMFelton 18h18 hours ago
   
   
   
   James Felton Retweeted BBC Politics
   
   “A man under criminal investigation would like to come on and do some spin” “Book him” “Why?” “Literally haven’t got a single ******* justification for this one, just do me a favour and book the possibly criminal prick”
   
   James Felton added,
   
   

BBC News Press Team‏Verified account @BBCNewsPR




READ: BBC statement regarding this Sunday's Andrew Marr Show #Marr

What happened to "may prejudice trial" legal restrictions? are the BBC (and Brexit) above the law?

 

[oldgroaner]

A comment on Cameron: the comeback
"
James Felton‏Verified account @JimMFelton 22h22 hours ago


Someone tell Cameron he can’t just come back and take over whenever he feels like it. We’re a country, not a child you’ve left in a pub.

 

[flecc]

I'm not concerned about this since it will probably backfire on Banks. His aggressive manner in arguing his position really does him no favours.

He's another one like Philip Green, thinking aggressive bluster best when in fact it just makes their image worse.
.

 

[oldgroaner]

Well done, you have aired yet another Urban Myth, so this time I present in full the Speech where this rumour is sourced from

David Camerons Speech on the UK's strength and security in the EU 9th May 2016
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-speech-on-the-uks-strength-and-security-in-the-eu-9-may-2016

This rumour was discussed widely, investigated and debunked on Twitter

1. James O'Brien‏Verified account @mrjamesob
   
   
   Did the World War 3 claim cited as 'proof' that 'Remain lied too' begin with Boris Johnson misrepresenting Cameron? That's all I can find.
2. Steve Analyst‏ @EmporersNewC 7 Aug 2017
   
   
   Replying to @mrjamesob
   
   
   Yes it did, David Cameron called into the Marr show to clarify he didn't say it, and made a statement to that effect in Parliament.
   
   
   
   This is the relevent part of the speech that Johnson turned into something else as usual
   
3. "
   First: Europe is our immediate neighbourhood, and what happens on the continent affects us profoundly, whether we like it or not.
   
   Our history teaches us: the stronger we are in our neighbourhood, the stronger we are in the world.
   
   For 2,000 years, our affairs have been intertwined with the affairs of Europe. For good or ill, we have written Europe’s history just as Europe has helped to write ours.
   
   From Caesar’s legions to the wars of the Spanish Succession, from the Napoleonic Wars to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
   
   Proud as we are of our global reach and our global connections, Britain has always been a European power, and we always will be.
   
   We know that to be a global power and to be a European power are not mutually exclusive.
   
   And the moments of which we are rightly most proud in our national story include pivotal moments in European history.
   
   Blenheim. Trafalgar. Waterloo. Our country’s heroism in the Great War.
   
   And most of all our lone stand in 1940, when Britain stood as a bulwark against a new dark age of tyranny and oppression.
   
   When I sit in the Cabinet Room, I never forget the decisions that were taken in that room in those darkest of times.
   
   When I fly to European summits in Brussels from RAF Northolt, I pass a Spitfire just outside the airfield, a vital base for brave RAF and Polish pilots during the Battle of Britain.
   
   I think of the Few who saved this country in its hour of mortal danger, and who made it possible for us to go on and help liberate Europe.
   
   Like any Brit, my heart swells with pride at the sight of that aircraft, or whenever I hear the tell-tale roar of those Merlin engines over our skies in the summer.
   
   Defiant, brave, indefatigable.
   
   But it wasn’t through choice that Britain was alone. Churchill never wanted that. Indeed he spent the months before the Battle of Britain trying to keep our French allies in the war, and then after France fell, he spent the next 18 months persuading the United States to come to our aid.
   
   And in the post-war period he argued passionately for Western Europe to come together, to promote free trade, and to build institutions which would endure so that our continent would never again see such bloodshed.
   
   Isolationism has never served this country well. Whenever we turn our back on Europe, sooner or later we come to regret it.
   
   We have always had to go back in, and always at a much higher cost.
   
   The serried rows of white headstones in lovingly-tended Commonwealth war cemeteries stand as silent testament to the price that this country has paid to help restore peace and order in Europe.
   
   Can we be so sure that peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking?
   
   I would never be so rash as to make that assumption.
   
   It’s barely been 20 years since war in the Balkans and genocide on our continent in Srebrenica. In the last few years, we have seen tanks rolling into Georgia and Ukraine. And of this I am completely sure.
   
   The European Union has helped reconcile countries which were once at each others’ throats for decades. Britain has a fundamental national interest in maintaining common purpose in Europe to avoid future conflict between European countries.
   
   And that requires British leadership, and for Britain to remain a member. The truth is this: what happens in our neighbourhood matters to Britain.
   
   That was true in 1914, in 1940 and in 1989. Or, you could add 1588, 1704 and 1815. And it is just as true in 2016.
   
   Either we influence Europe, or it influences us.
   
   And if things go wrong in Europe, let’s not pretend we can be immune from the consequences.

It was never said, was it? I have outlined the sentence Boris Johnson and the Press embroidered, lied about and changed into what they wanted to kid you with.

It worked? didn't it, as they knew Brexit voters never bothered to check the truth of what they were being told.

Sorry Fingers you have been well an truly mislead on this as with so many other things

Tommie disagrees with this true statement and video evidence , why am I not surprised?

 

[oyster]

I'm not concerned about this since it will probably backfire on Banks. His aggressive manner in arguing his position really does him no favours.

He's another one like Philip Green, thinking aggressive bluster best when in fact it just makes their image worse.
.

It could well put bite marks on his arse. Whether the BBC should have gone ahead with it, or not, is another issue. I almost wonder if they got a researcher to ring him up for a comment expecting either a prepared statement or "No comment.", and couldn't believe it when he agreed. Some of the BBC people might even agree that it is likely backfire on him.

 

[Fingers]

Fair Vote have dug a lot of dirt

https://fairvote.uk/tag/leave-eu/


Link and name/s for who said that? I think I saw claimed that European alliances of practical mutual benefits wiould suffer if we left the herd and we'd be weaker as a consequence - but I can't recall reading / hearing what you said as an overt remain campaign message.

It was inferred in the same the remain lot say the nhs was ‘promised’ an extra 350 million a week.

It never was.

 

[oyster]

It might be obvious, but it does need to be stated.

Leo Varadkar: Brexit has undermined Good Friday agreement


Irish PM says process has strained relations between UK and Ireland

Brexit has undermined the Good Friday agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland and has strained relations between Britain and Ireland, the Irish prime minister has said.


In an interview with RTÉ on Saturday morning, Leo Varadkar said Ireland was about to enter a difficult period because of the impact Brexit would have on the economy.


He indicated that a Brexit deal would give renewed impetus to parties in Northern Ireland to reach an agreement to restore devolved government in the region, 22 months after the Stormont assembly collapsed.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/03/leo-varadkar-brexit-has-undermined-the-good-friday-agreement

 

[tillson]

It was inferred in the same the remain lot say the nhs was ‘promised’ an extra 350 million a week.

It never was.

The whole thing is a mess. You have people like OG bouncing around firing sour grapes around like some sort of faulty machine gun, and blaming everything that goes wrong in the country on Brexit. The leave side are just as bad, making promises that can never be fulfilled and making pathetic attempts to put a positive spin on the complete clusterfuck that they are making.

The EU are behaving despicably with there, “you are welcome to leave our club, but we will kneecap you as you exit”, approach. There is no need for that. As if that wasn’t bad enough, our politicians are managing to humiliate the country through their gross incompetence.

The whole lot are a waste of rations.

 

[oyster]

When a man is being prosecuted, why ...

... does no-one ask about his Companies House filings?

He exists under at least four different names. Having already asked CH about using different names in a completely unrelated case, I beleive that they do nothing to police this malpractice. It is the filer's responsibility.

My view is that using different names helps to break chains of connections and should be diligently followed up. Where not a simple mistake, fines should be imposed and registrations suspended until resolved.

• Arron BANKS
  Total number of appointments 1
  
  Cornerstone House, Midland Way, Thornbury, Bristol, United Kingdom, BS35 2BS
  
  
• Arron BANKS
  Total number of appointments 0
  
  Crosshands Barn, Kington, Bristol, United Kingdom, BS35 1NQ
  
  
• Arron Andrew Fraser BANKS
  Total number of appointments 1 - Born March 1966
  
  Lysander House, Catbrain Lane, Bristol, United Kingdom, BS10 7TQ
  
  
• Arron Fraser Andrew BANKS
  Total number of appointments 17 - Born March 1966
  
  Lysander House, Catbrain Lane, Cribbs Causeway, Bristol, England, BS10 7TQ
  

 

[oldgroaner]

Here's another one for you "Scunners" the lot of 'em!
as in "git oot o' ma face ya wee scunner“

Runnng out of ideas Tommie?

 

[oldgroaner]

The whole thing is a mess. You have people like OG bouncing around firing sour grapes around like some sort of faulty machine gun, and blaming everything that goes wrong in the country on Brexit.

Respect to you my friend that is one of your better barbs, for a while there I was beginning to think old age had mellowed you!
What it lacks in truth it makes up for in style...
By the way if we were not leaving but France was, you would be rooting to rigidly apply the rules just as they are being applied to us, and would regard Knee capping as a Bonus!

PS:
For the record I don't blame everything that is going wrong on Brexit.

It hasn't happened yet has it?
I blame the dupes that voted for it!

 

[oldgroaner]

... does no-one ask about his Companies House filings?

He exists under at least four different names. Having already asked CH about using different names in a completely unrelated case, I beleive that they do nothing to police this malpractice. It is the filer's responsibility.

My view is that using different names helps to break chains of connections and should be diligently followed up. Where not a simple mistake, fines should be imposed and registrations suspended until resolved.

• Arron BANKS
  Total number of appointments 1
  
  Cornerstone House, Midland Way, Thornbury, Bristol, United Kingdom, BS35 2BS
  
  
• Arron BANKS
  Total number of appointments 0
  
  Crosshands Barn, Kington, Bristol, United Kingdom, BS35 1NQ
  
  
• Arron Andrew Fraser BANKS
  Total number of appointments 1 - Born March 1966
  
  Lysander House, Catbrain Lane, Bristol, United Kingdom, BS10 7TQ
  
  
• Arron Fraser Andrew BANKS
  Total number of appointments 17 - Born March 1966
  
  Lysander House, Catbrain Lane, Cribbs Causeway, Bristol, England, BS10 7TQ

A little more background here (or sour grapes I am told)

If this rogue fell off a Russian Private Yacht into a sea filled with man eating sharks
They would throw him back out of professional courtesy

 

[oldgroaner]

Tommie disagrees with this true statement and video evidence , why am I not surprised?

And just to firmly nail down the coffin lid on this Urban Myth, here is were the Dupes who believed it got it from
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3580060/Now-Cameron-warns-Brexit-lead-war-genocide-PM-s-extraordinary-intervention-leads-campaigners-accuse-Downing-Street-desperation.html
"
Now Cameron warns Brexit would lead to war and genocide: PM's extraordinary intervention - but Out camp accuses him of desperation as Downing St ramps up Project Fear

• Europe risks war and genocide if Britain votes to leave EU, PM will warn
• His speech will invoke Winston Churchill and the graves of war heroes
• Remain camp has also claimed house prices could collapse with Brexit
• But Vote Leave campaigners have accused Downing Street of desperation

Europe risks sliding back into conflict and genocide if Britain votes to leave the EU, David Cameron will say today.

But as I demonstrated conclusively with that video and speech extract he never said it did he?
The Daily Mail simply said that he would, not that he had!