Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

No

Really? then I suggest you look closely at the wording of your post

"I’m not so sure about that. I think Britain could deliver a sufficiently devastating strike to deter an attack on the country. I agree, that Russia could inflict more damage on Britain and even wipe us out completely, but what they would get back, even if it didn’t extinguish all life in Russia, would be enough to deter an attack.

It should read
Response to an attack eg; in the past tense, though this logic assumes we survived long enough to launch one
And at that point what is the point of incinerating millions of innocent men women and children as an act of revenge?

 

[tillson]

Really? then I suggest you look closely at the wording of your post

"I’m not so sure about that. I think Britain could deliver a sufficiently devastating strike to deter an attack on the country. I agree, that Russia could inflict more damage on Britain and even wipe us out completely, but what they would get back, even if it didn’t extinguish all life in Russia, would be enough to deter an attack.

It should read
Response to an attack eg; in the past tense, though this logic assumes we survived long enough to launch one
And at that point what is the point of incinerating millions of innocent men women and children as an act of revenge?

You have repeated what I wrote in my original post.

There is every point to a counter attack. It’s essential that horrifying consequences, on a biblical scale, are deployed against an aggressor. That message needs to be very clear in order to maintain peace via a stalemate.

 

[oyster]

Customs checks will be done on motorways between Belfast and Dublin.
that arrangement will suit TM, the DUP and the ROI as long as the UK stays close to the EU in the foreseeable future.
Apparently, the report on financial service deal suggests that the UK will have to have EU approval whenever it wants to diverge or all deals are off, a bit like Switzerland.

But having the EU effectively impose their will on the UK is precisely what the remain camp have been insisting is NOT acceptable. So just how is this bizarre and, to my mind, seemingly impossible one-way system going to solve the acceptability issue?

The more extreme remainers, who really want no-deal would not be happy with the "solution" you describe.

 

[Woosh]

But having the EU effectively impose their will on the UK is precisely what the remain camp have been insisting is NOT acceptable. So just how is this bizarre and, to my mind, seemingly impossible one-way system going to solve the acceptability issue?

The more extreme remainers, who really want no-deal would not be happy with the "solution" you describe.

it's not bizarre but practical. Everything except the backstop in NI will still have to be re-negotiated and we are not going to leave economically until there is a new deal. The clearest indication is that the EU will agree to give some ground to the UK, the financial service deal is one of them, possibly in return for the UK to remain in the EU's customs union and continue to participate in a number of programs.
Even if the UK remains in the customs union, there will still be need for physical customs checkpoints between NI and the ROI. The M1 motorway seems to be the most appropriate to do this.

 

[oldgroaner]

How to present a defeat as a victory lesson one in the Express
What is at issue and what we have given in to?
"
Mr Raab wrote: ”Despite our differences, we are not far from an agreement on this issue.

“We agree on the principle of a UK-wide customs backstop. An agreement on the details of that backstop should be possible.

"Both sides agree that this backstop cannot provide for a permanent UK/EU relationship and are committed to a future relationship that works for the whole of the UK, including Northern Ireland.

We are remaining in the Customs Union

And here is how it is being sold
"
Brexit BREAKTHROUGH: Barnier under huge pressure to CRACK and accept May's proposal
MICHEL BARNIER is under growing pressure to crack and finally accept Theresa May’s Brexit proposals, which will see a frictionless border on Ireland and will bring the end of the EU negotiations “firmly in sight”.

The Express reader comments are not impressed!

 

[oyster]

it's not bizarre but practical. Everything except the backstop in NI will still have to be re-negotiated and we are not going to leave economically until there is a new deal. The clearest indication is that the EU will agree to give some ground to the UK, the financial service deal is one of them, possibly in return for the UK to remain in the EU's customs union and continue to participate in a number of programs.
Even if the UK remains in the customs union, there will still be need for physical customs checkpoints between NI and the ROI. The M1 motorway seems to be the most appropriate to do this.

I await Danidl's opinion on an M1 checkpoint.

 

[oldgroaner]

You have repeated what I wrote in my original post.

There is every point to a counter attack. It’s essential that horrifying consequences, on a biblical scale, are deployed against an aggressor. That message needs to be very clear in order to maintain peace via a stalemate.

Lets follow your logic and ask what happens if the Red Army appears on the channel coast, and starts invading? do you imagine for one moment we would employ Trident?

 

[tillson]

Lets follow your logic and ask what happens if the Red Army appears on the channel coast, and starts invading? do you imagine for one moment we would employ Trident?

They wouldn’t just appear on the channel coast. There would be prior invasion and occupation of other nations over a period of time as they advanced through Europe towards the coast. A clear picture would emerge of the nature of their occupation / aggression & conduct.

The fact that the U.K. could wipe out millions of people via a nuclear attack may deter them from crossing the channel. Whereas, perhaps the French might bend over, touch their toes, and say “roger me rigid”. Not much of a deterrent.

 

[oldgroaner]

They wouldn’t just appear on the channel coast. There would be prior invasion and occupation of other nations over a period of time as they advanced through Europe towards the coast. A clear picture would emerge of the nature of their occupation / aggression & conduct.

The fact that the U.K. could wipe out millions of people via a nuclear attack may deter them from crossing the channel. Whereas, perhaps the French might bend over, touch their toes, and say “roger me rigid”. Not much of a deterrent.

May deter them? is that the best Trident can offer? May deter them?
Halleluya!
We would seek terms from them, what alternative would we have?
The existence of the nation is far too big a price to pay, there is absolutely no profit in that is there?who do you think you are kidding?
But in any case this is all hypothetical, they can make us do what they want by the same means they used to Skew the Brexit Vote.
Pay a few useful idiots to con the voting public.
And Trident won't protect us from the fact that as a nation we are easily conned, will it?

And here is a thought that you might care to ponder: assuming for a moment the Russians threaten France, do you imagine for one second if the French retaliate with a Nuclear Strike, we would not catch the backlash from the Russians?

 

[tillson]

May deter them? is that the best Trident can offer? May deter them?
Halleluya!
We would seek terms from them, what alternative would we have?
The existence of the nation is far too big a price to pay, there is absolutely no profit in that is there?who do you think you are kidding?
But in any case this is all hypothetical, they can make us do what they want by the same means they used to Skew the Brexit Vote.
Pay a few useful idiots to con the voting public.
And Trident won't protect us from the fact that as a nation we are easily conned, will it?

And here is a thought that you might care to ponder: assuming for a moment the Russians threaten France, do you imagine for one second if the French retaliate with a Nuclear Strike, we would not catch the backlash from the Russians?

In reality, I don’t think there is much of a threat regarding invasions. Why would anyone want to take on occupation and control of far off countries in this era? I think it is wise to maintain a nuclear deterrent though. It’s a bit like house insurance.

 

[flecc]

You have repeated what I wrote in my original post.

There is every point to a counter attack. It’s essential that horrifying consequences, on a biblical scale, are deployed against an aggressor. That message needs to be very clear in order to maintain peace via a stalemate.

But as I observed above, the same consequences are easily available with conventional weapons without the risk of self harm that nuclear weapons bring.

In the wars I listed we killed millions, far more than ever died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and conventional weapons have greatly improved since. Once we get into the realm of such numbers of deaths the means no longer matters, so the nuclear bomb is no longer the deterrent it momentarily was.

The deterrent now is any war directly between the large advanced countries due to the horrifying consequences however fought. That's why the wars between them are now fought using proxies like the Ukraine and Syria in which nuclear weapons are of no use anyway.

The little UK has no more part in that than all the other small countries, so only needs the means to guard its coastline. All the massive spending we've done on other so-called defence equipment is wasted money.
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[Danidl]

I await Danidl's opinion on an M1 checkpoint.

If the UK as a whole remains in the Customs Union,there is no problem and no need for customs checks between any member states and the UK. EU inspectors and UK inspector at either factories, and the main ports can do the business.

If the NI backstop functions only, the customs checks are at Holyhead, Pembroke,Liverpool and Clanryane.

Spot checks along the M1 near Carrickaron,would be ok. There are Sidings in place. But extensive 100% checking would grind traffic to a halt ,and would put liquid milk delivery , sandwiches mushrooms and duck to Northern England in jeopardy.

If the NI backstop dissapears ,and it could in the event of a no deal,along with the British cabinet, .then all bets are off. The EU are not bluffing on this matter. It is not as I have seen " a straw man argument. "

It might be instructive for you Britons to open up the Google map of the border area. And note the interlinking of roads. It is usual when borders are drawn to have natural features eg. Mountains, rivers ,fjords as the boundaries. Except for the 10 miles from Carlingford Lough towards Newry, that is not the case with NI. The roads go between NI and RoI,with only the wider dotted white line on the NI roads to distinguish the sections. The border goes between rooms in houses, between sheds and outhouses, etc. And when you look at the Google Map, remember it does not show boreens.. narrow lanes for cattle movement.

 

[oldgroaner]

If the UK as a whole remains in the Customs Union,there is no problem and no need for customs checks between any member states and the UK. EU inspectors and UK inspector at either factories, and the main ports can do the business.

If the NI backstop functions only, the customs checks are at Holyhead, Pembroke,Liverpool and Clanryane.

Spot checks along the M1 near Carrickaron,would be ok. There are Sidings in place. But extensive 100% checking would grind traffic to a halt ,and would put liquid milk delivery , sandwiches mushrooms and duck to Northern England in jeopardy.

If the NI backstop dissapears ,and it could in the event of a no deal,along with the British cabinet, .then all bets are off. The EU are not bluffing on this matter. It is not as I have seen " a straw man argument. "

It might be instructive for you Britons to open up the Google map of the border area. And note the interlinking of roads. It is usual when borders are drawn to have natural features eg. Mountains, rivers ,fjords as the boundaries. Except for the 10 miles from Carlingford Lough towards Newry, that is not the case with NI. The roads go between NI and RoI,with only the wider dotted white line on the NI roads to distinguish the sections. The border goes between rooms in houses, between sheds and outhouses, etc. And when you look at the Google Map, remember it does not show boreens.. narrow lanes for cattle movement.

McDonnell has been warned against a close relationship the the EU single Market, by the Lexit convenor Alex Gordon says such a relationship would neutralise Labour's pledges to renationalise raill, mail and energy,
McDonnell is not it seemed persuaded against it!
Lexit by the way is the Left Leave Coalition (yes another loony bunch)
This was in the Daily Star by the way

 

[oldgroaner]

They do say it's always a good idea to put in a word for your main sposor

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   By their Friends shall ye know them, as the saying goes

Note the Date, I suspect they would prefer we forgot slips of the Mask of this sort! but it's out there on the internet
And this is what Putin has been a major contributory factor to
https://www.worldvision.org/refugees-news-stories/syrian-refugee-crisis-facts

Since the Syrian civil war officially began March 15, 2011, families have suffered under brutal conflict that has killed hundreds of thousands of people, torn the nation apart, and set back the standard of living by decades. Today 13.1 million people in the country need humanitarian assistance.
More than 5 million people have been displaced.

And this leave organisation pretends to be acting in the public interest?
It should be banned as subversive.

 

[oyster]

And not before time:

Arron Banks faces criminal inquiry over Brexit campaign
NCA launches investigation into Banks and others linked to £2.9m spent by leave campaign

The National Crime Agency has launched an investigation into Arron Banks and other people and groups linked to the leave campaign over suspected criminal offences in the Brexit referendum, it has announced.

It came after the Electoral Commission said it had referred the cases to the NCA over suspicions that a “number of criminal offences may have been committed”, and that there were reasonable grounds to suspect that Banks, the insurance millionaire who backed the unofficial leave campaign, was not the “true source” of £8m in funding to it.

Banks and his longtime business associate Elizabeth Bilney, who chaired the Leave.EU campaign, both said they rejected any allegations of wrongdoing, arguing that the investigation was motivated by political considerations.

Rest of article here:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/01/arron-banks-referred-to-agency-over-suspected-offences-in-brexit-campaign

 

[oyster]

Regarding the slogan in the picture below: And you believed them?

Brexit: EU fishing row threatens to snag May’s customs union plan


Key countries unwilling to cede tariff-free access to EU without deal on fishing in British waters



A British fishing boat in Brixham harbour, southern England. According to estimates, 33% of the catches of the European fishing fleet are caught in British waters. Photograph: Robin Millard/AFP/Getty Images





Theresa May is facing fresh opposition from EU countries with large fishing communities to her demands for agreement before Brexit day on a temporary customs union to solve the Irish border problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/01/brexit-eu-fishing-row-threatens-to-snag-may-customs-union-plan

 

[oldgroaner]

Another rather juicy item

https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/1057895968329396224

https://screenshots.firefox.com/doZ9sjXTnjfZouGY/twitter.com

Aaron Banks of course

 

[oyster]

Another rather juicy item

https://twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/1057895968329396224

https://screenshots.firefox.com/doZ9sjXTnjfZouGY/twitter.com

Aaron Banks of course

What is the current legal status of the Leave EU mob (as in the headed paper of the letter in the screenshot)?

 

[Woosh]

Spot checks along the M1 near Carrickaron,would be ok. There are Sidings in place. But extensive 100% checking would grind traffic to a halt ,and would put liquid milk delivery , sandwiches mushrooms and duck to Northern England in jeopardy.

If the NI backstop dissapears ,and it could in the event of a no deal,along with the British cabinet, .then all bets are off. The EU are not bluffing on this matter. It is not as I have seen " a straw man argument. "

After the transition, the checks will be necessary because the situation will be pretty much the same as on the Sweden/Norway border.
There should be then automatic number plate recognition on the M1 and about 3% of commercial vehicles will be pulled in for spot checks.

 

[oyster]

And now...

Sports minister resigns over chancellor's delay to gambling curb

Tracey Crouch launched review that cut fixed-odds betting terminal stakes from £100 maximum to £2

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/01/sports-minister-resigns-over-chancellors-delay-to-gambling-curb