Brexit, for once some facts.
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I honestly wonder if we've been living through a charade.
Faced with a referendum result the government didn't want, it may have been decided at the outset that we weren't going to truly leave but would have to go through a convincing pretence.
Hence Theresa May's insistent "Brexit means Brexit" and the confrontations (fake?) with Brussel's negotiators, knowing full well that they were never going to agree to the Brexiter's demands.
It would also explain how they were able to absolutely reassure companies like Nissan and Toyota that all would be well for manufacturing trading afterwards.
All they have to do now is go through a longish transition period to make the electorate too bored to be bothered either way. They are well on the way to that already.
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it does look that way. Would TM's strategy be to punish the brexit voters without losing jobs and conservative members to UKIP?
If it is, then she has managed it quite well really. She would have been out on her ears two years ago to suggest a soft brexit even if in their heart, the hard brexiters knew that they could not pull the UK out of the SM without losing the manufactring jobs. So, the first step was for her to lose the majority for conservatives, a bit of inflation and wage stagnation, a bit less immigration. If the UK goes through 3 more years with wages going up less than inflation, who knows, brexit may not happen.
I hope that that is the case. But would it not have been as easy to just have levelled with the public . It not as if there was a landslide result.
That agreement/ proposal will flounder on point 4. C.
in time, yes, and the timing is still not right, 3 more years may be.
why? the EFTA Court works in a similar way and EFTA is less important to the EU than the UK.
Loved this comment I found elsewhere on social media:
'I find Theresa May inspirational.... No matter how terrible I am at my job, I can still rise to the top right?'
Tom
'I find Theresa May inspirational.... No matter how terrible I am at my job, I can still rise to the top right?'
Tom
that's generally true for most company bosses.
As they say: if you can, do, if you can't, teach.
As I am terrible in the workshop (I blame my arthritic wrists), I post on the forum.
I think electoral convenience would dictate the approach I suspect. Levelling with the public would have provoked a furious reaction from the Brexiters, making it impossible to call the last election. Much easier to risk upsetting remainers with a fierce Brexit pretence, since they knew they'd lost the referendum so would react in a more resigned way.
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No way,she has done what she should have done ages ago....she has stood up to the fascist Brexiteers,it is said that she had lined up replacements for Boris,Gove etc and Davis would have had to fall in line.
They should have resigned but they haven’t got the bottle.
We will now proceed with Brino.
KudosDave
Will it.?
The government have tried to reduce non EU migrants for years without success,we will just have more in the world pool of labour.
I am married to a South African,my son is dating a Spanish girl,what’s so wrong with migrants,
The 100,000 shortfall of Labour in the NHS is not going to be filled solely by Brits,we need migration.
KudosDave
And we'll still have to import EU crop pickers.
The class of Britons who might normally do this kind of work live on McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken, even fishing out the gherkin from burgers, so I assume they are allergic to vegetables.
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Actualy it won't will it? the Governmment have already made that quite clear, though there could well be creative counting applied to the figures as usual.
immigration goes hand in hand with foreign investments - you deter companies to come and invest here just a little, it'll buy TM millions of votes. That explains partially why the conservatives still lead over Labour in polls.
Darn it flecc! you've got me "bang to rights" I used to help the Harvest when at school, and though I haven't for over 50 years, I still pick out the Gherkin from Cheeseburgers.
It's not that I have anything against vegetables per se...
More along the logic of the old fundamental question
"What's the difference between Bogeys and Brussel Sprouts?
and the correct answer of course is
"You can't get Schoolboy's to eat Brussel Sprouts!
Passing a new-stand, noticed a headline suggesting that Trump will offer a zero tariff deal for the UK (Daily Express?) to "help" us over brexit.
Just remember his inauguration speech:
"From this day forward, a new vision will govern... it's going to be only America first, America first"
Then ask, whose interest would any deal, zero tariff or otherwise, be? Rightly or wrongly when finally judged, Trump will be thinking it is in first his interest, followed by America's interest. Anything that happened to be in the interest of the UK would not be by intent but just an effect that happened to be.
Just remember his inauguration speech:
"From this day forward, a new vision will govern... it's going to be only America first, America first"
Then ask, whose interest would any deal, zero tariff or otherwise, be? Rightly or wrongly when finally judged, Trump will be thinking it is in first his interest, followed by America's interest. Anything that happened to be in the interest of the UK would not be by intent but just an effect that happened to be.
And there we have the UK, summed up in a nutshell! A real world hunger games!