Brexit, for once some facts.

[tillson]

whether you voted stay or leave we were given a straightforward vote to leave or stay in the EU (I don't recall any such votes when the various treaties taking more and more from us were signed) , The British people by a majority voted to leave the EU, for whatever reason. If as is being speculated in this thread it is all a big con, we have to ask the questions. Is it worth voting if the results are meaningless.? Can we trust our politicians who are always going on about how good our democracy is?. I believe this would do huge damage to the country and respect for the democratic process.

Whilst I agree with the principal of your statement, too many personal ambitions, vested interests and golden opportunities got in the way. That resulted in huge lies being told by both the remain and leave sides. Very little of what really mattered and what people should have based their voting decisions on made it into their consciousness. It was drowned out by the background white noise of lies and meaningless strap-lines. In addition, the whole process has again shown us how utterly useless, clueless and inadequate the U.K. government is when it come to international negotiations. Even if leaving was a good idea, we can’t because we don’t have political leaders of sufficient quality to do the job.

I don’t think much will change now. The referendum has re-set the value of the pound to roughly where it should be. We’ve had a Royal Wedding, Russian poison attack, The World Cup and Celebirty Love Island is back on the TV, so now the great British public are now bored with Brexit.

 

[oyster]

From the Guardian on mandatory new tourist protection insurance:

One other bit that was, in my view, questionable was this statement:

“It means hotels will have to buy insolvency insurance, at £1,000 or £1,500 per business,”

So a B&B with one room would be charged almost the same as Premier Inn? And precisely what insolvency is it covering?

Perhaps the second part of the problem is the cost of insolvency insurance policies?

 

[oldtom]

Word has it that a vote of confidence in the gormless PM may well occur before much longer. That aside, though, Grease-Smug has been heard to say that he hasn't seen enough detail in the Cabinet agreement for him to make a judgement on it...........

Someone has picked up on that remark:



Tom

 

[Woosh]

So a B&B with one room would be charged almost the same as Premier Inn? And precisely what insolvency is it covering?

insurance premium is usually based on the turnover of the business. I assume the insurance would indemnify the customers in case the business can't.
It is extra peace of mind for customers.

 

[oyster]

insurance premium is usually based on the turnover of the business. I assume the insurance would indemnify the customers in case the business can't.
It is extra peace of mind for customers.

It would be unbelievable that insolvency insurance wouldn't in some way be related to turnover and perceived financial standing of the business. But, as written, the story says as I quoted.

In whose interest was it to make what appears a silly claim as to cost of policy?

If hotel A books a table for one of their customers to have a meal at restaurant B, does insolvency insurance cover:
Only A going insolvent?
Only B going insolvent?
A or B going insolvent?
A and B both going insolvent?
The customer going insolvent?

 

[Woosh]

Word has it that a vote of confidence in the gormless PM may well occur before much longer. That aside, though, Grease-Smug has been heard to say that he hasn't seen enough detail in the Cabinet agreement for him to make a judgement on it...........

Someone has picked up on that remark:

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Tom

The right wing press has already flogged 'the will of the people' to death and JRM has the charisma of a wet Sunday.
He may have enough allies to start a leadership challenge but he'll run the risk that the majority of brexit voting conservatives are decisively not hard brexiters, they will stick with TM if there is a leadership contest.

 

[Woosh]

It would be unbelievable that insolvency insurance wouldn't in some way be related to turnover and perceived financial standing of the business. But, as written, the story says as I quoted.

In whose interest was it to make what appears a silly claim as to cost of policy?

If hotel A books a table for one of their customers to have a meal at restaurant B, does insolvency insurance cover:
Only A going insolvent?
Only B going insolvent?
A or B going insolvent?
A and B both going insolvent?
The customer going insolvent?

Only A going insolvent. A pays the premium based on his turnover. It's similar to a travel agent paying for ABTA cover.

 

[oldgroaner]

the whole process has again shown us how utterly useless, clueless and inadequate the U.K. government is when it come to international negotiations. Even if leaving was a good idea, we can’t because we don’t have political leaders of sufficient quality to do the job.

All along this has been if not the main, then the second biggest reason I am opposed to Brexit.
The notion that any of this current set that squat in the HOC could even run a Whelk stall at the seaside is too far fetched to be believable.
To trust the fate of the Nation to them was an act of utter folly.

 

[oyster]

Only A going insolvent. A pays the premium based on his turnover. It's similar to a travel agent paying for ABTA cover.

I thought that a travel agent had some responsibility of the airline, hotel, etc., went bankrupt?

Regardless, the claimed £1000 cost seems a mighty premium when in many cases it is inconceivable that a claim would be more than a few tens of quid. Even the sum of all claims in the case of a small hotel/B&B.

 

[Woosh]

I thought that a travel agent had some responsibility of the airline, hotel, etc., went bankrupt?

Regardless, the claimed £1000 cost seems a mighty premium when in many cases it is inconceivable that a claim would be more than a few tens of quid. Even the sum of all claims in the case of a small hotel/B&B.

the figure £1,000 to £1,500 is just an average estimate.
If you run a business, you have to have public liability insurance. This is additional insurance and totally justified to me.

 

[Danidl]

Whilst I agree with the principal of your statement, too many personal ambitions, vested interests and golden opportunities got in the way. That resulted in huge lies being told by both the remain and leave sides. Very little of what really mattered and what people should have based their voting decisions on made it into their consciousness. It was drowned out by the background white noise of lies and meaningless strap-lines. In addition, the whole process has again shown us how utterly useless, clueless and inadequate the U.K. government is when it come to international negotiations. Even if leaving was a good idea, we can’t because we don’t have political leaders of sufficient quality to do the job.

I don’t think much will change now. The referendum has re-set the value of the pound to roughly where it should be. We’ve had a Royal Wedding, Russian poison attack, The World Cup and Celebirty Love Island is back on the TV, so now the great British public are now bored with Brexit.

.. you are equating both sides in the truth stakes, that in my opinion is incorrect. It is precisely because the remain group did not and could not engage in hyperbole and were constrained to discuss the actuality of what existed and was likely to continue to exist, whereas the BREXIt group could fantasise about a future golden age.While everyone is entitled to an opinion, Not all opinions are equally valid

.. whether the great British public is bored or not , is a red herring.. and I am inclined to agree with your analysis of ennui, the reality is that BREXIt has not yet even happened,and we are still in the phony war stage. My conversations with UK resident extended family, lead me to agree with you. At this stage there has been reduction in economic activity in the UK, compared with the remainder of the EU and a reduction in what the supposed growth in the GDP of the UK,would have been the BREXIt debate and result not arisen

 

[Woosh]

the reality is that BREXIt has not yet even happened,

I disagree.
Brexit is real since the triggering of A50.
We are already excluded from a lot of EU policy meetings, the European Medicines Agency is relocating to Amsterdam etc.
Although there is some possibility that A50 could be cancelled, I won't hold my breath for it. The only game in town to to settle the divorce bill, spend a couple of years in transition while asking ourselves a straightforward question: how would we vote in EURef2?

 

[oyster]

the European Medicines Agency is relocating to Amsterdam

A very real and serious loss on many levels.

 

[flecc]

One other bit that was, in my view, questionable was this statement:

“It means hotels will have to buy insolvency insurance, at £1,000 or £1,500 per business,”

So a B&B with one room would be charged almost the same as Premier Inn? And precisely what insolvency is it covering?

Perhaps the second part of the problem is the cost of insolvency insurance policies?

Remember, insurance premiums carry a purchase tax, more income for the exchequer and good reason to insist on insurance for everything.
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[oldgroaner]

very unlikely but not impossible.
The reason is simple: soft brexit will reduce the risk to the economy, more specifically foreign owned manufacturing companies like Nissan, Airbus, Siemens etc.
The Pound has risen 2% since last Monday.

Reduce the immediate risk, not the long term

 

[oldgroaner]

Remember, insurance premiums carry a purchase tax. more income for the exchequer and good reason to insist on insurance for everything.
.

And you can bet "Stealth Taxes" ill be flavour of the month after "Brexit" (allegedly out of necessity, and to support the "Will of the people")
Perhaps this is the last one they can blame the EU directly for?
No, of course not....

 

[oyster]

And you can bet "Stealth Taxes" ill be flavour of the month after "Brexit" (allegedly out of necessity, and to support the "Will of the people")
Perhaps this is the last one they can blame the EU directly for?
No, of course not....

I suspect that some of the impetus was to ensure the government doesn't end up footing any part of future bills such as for the Monarch airline collapse.

 

[oyster]

Hard Brexit could see Dutch electronics firm Philips quit UK
Philips CEO says cost of exported products could increase if UK leaves single customs union
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/08/hard-brexit-could-see-dutch-electronics-firm-philips-quit-uk

Is potential loss of companies still news? Or is it just one of those things that is obvious, inevitable and already assumed?

 

[Woosh]

David Davis has quit.
I reckon May should put Gove in Dexeu..

 

[oldgroaner]

David Davis has quit.
I reckon May should put Gove in Dexeu..

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StillBrokenBritain, Manchester, 14 minutes ago

Brexit means Brexit. Time for May's exit."

And about time too!