Brexit, for once some facts.

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"In Italy, the most prominent right-wing populist party is Lega Nord The party generally takes an anti-Southern Italian stance as members are known for opposing Southern Italian emigration to Northern Italian cities, stereotyping Southern Italians as welfare abusers and detrimental to Italian society
Northern Italian joke:

"Why are Southern Italians so small?

"It's because their mothers told them that when they grew up, they'd have to go out to work".
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The ones that feel insecure are often the ones furthest from the border zones.
true enough but if it were not for Schengen and the refugee crisis, brexit would not have happened.
Now the refugee crisis is 90% manageable but the backlash is still very present.
 
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true enough but if it were not for Schengen and the refugee crisis, brexit would not have happened.
Now the refugee crisis is 90% manageable but the backlash is still very present.
The refugee crisis has nothing to do with Schengen, it is created because of war and poverty in the countries the migrants are fleeing. I have not heard one single politician from the extreme left to the extreme right suggesting that it might be better to treat the crisis at it's source.

Of course that would annoy corporations making billions on the back of those suffering wouldn't it...
 

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The refugee crisis has nothing to do with Schengen, it is created because of war and poverty in the countries the migrants are fleeing. I have not heard one single politician from the extreme left to the extreme right suggesting that it might be better to treat the crisis at it's source.

Of course that would annoy corporations making billions on the back of those suffering wouldn't it...
let's look at the problem objectively: Schengen did not create the migrant crisis but because the borders are not controlled, refugees may claim asylum in one country then move to another, creating chaos anywhere they move to or traverse.
 

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It's minimal. The large scale of inter-marriage is far greater in effect and will continue to make difference diminish and seem normal.

Well over a hundred years ago at the turn of the 19th to the 20th centuries we had a vast influx of Eastern European Jews flooding into such places as Hackney and Stepney. Most barely spoke any English.

Today their offspring are seen as Cockneys, many of them the London taxi drivers regarded as archetypally English.

Discrimination disappears with time, as shown by the fact that we are all immigrants of one kind or another.
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Even within some of the families with such antecedents, there can be dismissal of "the Jewish side", or "the goyim" (depending who is doing the dismissing) even today. And that is the extended family I know very well - coming in late 19th century.
 
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Even within some of the families with such antecedents, there can be dismissal of "the Jewish side", or "the goyim" (depending who is doing the dismissing) even today. And that is the extended family I know very well - coming in late 19th century.
I don't think it's serious in London any more though, the Jewish background of so many of our taxi drivers has long been thought of as a norm. And since well over half of all London's population isn't white British born and often from very far away, they tend not to have the same baggage of history as Europeans. We're all foreigners here!
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And there will be no remedy for the complaints of the people after Brexit even if it isn't disastrous economically

As I have said many times nothing will change to make the people happier with the Government we have in charge, or in fact the present opposition, and the parasitic class of investors who put their money overseas
There is no light at the end of that particular tunnel.

Brext may not founder on economics, but it will through shockingly incompetent politicians ripping off the public without any restraint.

What we have here is the equivalent of
The Christians throwing themselves at Hungry lions.
It will end in big trouble.
 
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I guess you didn't agree with points in previous link then OG
Oh dear, the artists impression of th ships we'll supply look very much like the notorious type 45 destroyer. Proven capability to break down in every ocean in the world. We towed one all the way back from Australia, what were the Aussies think of when they placed that order?
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Oh dear, the artists impression of th ships we'll supply look very much like the notorious type 45 destroyer. Proven capability to break down in every ocean in the world. We towed one all the way back from Australia, what were the Aussies think of when they placed that order?
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Actually all we are selling is the design, they make them in OZ!
 
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I guess you didn't agree with points in previous link then OG
I think you missed this important bit
"The construction programme is the biggest of its kind to take place in Australia since Second World War
Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said: 'The frigates, to be designed by BAE Systems and built by ASC Shipbuilding, are central to our plan to secure our nation, our naval shipbuilding sovereignty and create Australian jobs..

So the ships are being built in Australia, where are the British jobs in this deal?
I notice too "central to our plan to secure our nation, our naval shipbuilding sovereignty and create Australian jobs..

They have a funny idea of shipbuilding sovereignty if they have to get foreigners to design them for them!
And how much of the £208billion is actually coming our way, rather than into Australia?
 
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Are you seriously suggesting the Government is going to completely change from the way is has governed in the past in oder to do any of this tripe?

"Now the prime minister has set out her agenda for Britain leaving the European Union, it provides an opportunity to turn our minds to what it will take to generate jobs, raise living standards and make Britain an even more prosperous and dynamic economy. In short, to make the UK the best place in which to do business."

I want you to answer yes or no wthout quibbling for once
Will the Government actually carry out this promise to the people?
Put your money where your mouth is as they say.

After all it any of that is now their intention, why has it never been in the past?
 
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what kind of idiots would claim this:

We should aim to remove tariffs, either unilaterally or through free trade negotiations, thus reducing the cost of food by up to 40%, and the cost of clothing and footwear by up to 20%.
it is even farther from the truth than BJ's red bus and what will be the cost to support our farmers and shoemakers when they can't compete? Shall we just stop working, import everything and pay on the never never?
 

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From the BBC:

Leaders said that new migrant centres could be set up in EU countries on a "voluntary" basis.
These centres would process migrants to determine which are genuine refugees and which are "irregular migrants, who will be returned", the text of their agreement says.
The joint communique also speaks of restricting the movement of asylum seekers between EU states.
"After this European summit, Europe is more responsible and offers more solidarity," said Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte. "Today Italy is no longer alone."
German Chancellor Angela Merkel came into the summit needing an EU-wide agreement on dealing with asylum seekers to avert a political crisis at home that could bring down her government.
It is unclear whether the measures agreed will be enough, and speaking to reporters at 05:00 local time (03:00 GMT), she acknowledged the EU still had "a lot of work to do to bridge the different views".

Ha ha ha. That won’t happen. Next idea please because this one isn’t even a sticking plaster on a gaping wound.
 
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Ha ha ha. That won’t happen. Next idea please because this one isn’t even a sticking plaster on a gaping wound.
they should have adopted Salvini's tactic: stop boats like the Aquarius to run their ferry service, pay for the running cost of reception centres where people can apply in an orderly manner and children continue with their education. Remember the Vietnamese boat people? About a million Vietnamese refugees were successfully resettled by UNHCR 40 years ago. The vast majority did not pay any money, they could apply even without leaving their homes under the family reunion system.
 
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