We were never facing nuclear conflict, so why would he have sent in the 7th fleet?
Brexit, for once some facts.
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The beauty of the democratic process is that all the decisions and behaviour of our public leadership is questionable. Don't underestimate it's importance..
Now the EU has fully respected the democratic decision, bonkers as it may be ,of the UK peoples referendum. They gave a limited amount of advice of the likely consequences of what would happen and surprise surprise did not lie.
The entire tenor of these postings on this forum over the last eighteen months has been a gradual realisation that the UK people did not know what they were voting for, how intricate the relationships within and without the eu were
There is direct democratic control of the EU by the citizens of the EU, and it is the failure of UK public opinion not to have realised that. All the major positions are by election, either directly or by deferred voting and the countries of the EU are directly represented...
Sorry to disappoint you, but FA to do with Brexit I’m afraid. Freeing up capacity for new models and variants of existing ones to be built in the U.K. I know it’s disappointing for you not to be able to pin this one in Brexit, but there will be a Social Inclusion Unit closing somewhere, you can take a pop at that.
Companies have been moving production out of the U.K. ever since we joined the EU. Membership is not a big factor in these decisions.
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The situation regarding international relationships with North Korea looks better today than it did 12 months ago. Donald Trump can take a lot of credit for that.
The the limp wristed, left-leaning liberals can’t accept that Trump was correct and that his style of diplomacy works, even when it slams into their chinless faces. I’m convinced that these hand-wringing “told you sos” would have preferred a continued escalation in hostilities with North Korea, which would have fuelled their pevish attacks on Trump. Pathetic.
I think similar mechanisms to the one above are at work with regards to Brexit. I do think we need another vote on the issue though. Many lies were told by both sides in the run up to the referendum, and we don’t seem to have anyone up to the job of orchestrating the leaving process. Two very big factors which voters were not aware of. I wouldn’t like to say which way a second vote would go, but I think we need one.
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I think for most voters 2 to the power of 10 nearer the mark!
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We invented gun boat diplomacy, this clown is following our example, and you fell for this corny example of how to create an artificial crisis to con the masses.
This situation is no different to the previous two occasions were similar agreements led nowhere, as this will
Nothing week chinned about knowing a con when you see one.
He will badly unstuck when he meets a real problem that bs and bullying won't fix.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/11/history-of-us-north-korea-deals-singapore-summit
I don't think any agreements have been made with Kim Jong UN. Previous ones were with his grandad.
But, I agree the really hard bit is sticking to agreements. But it's a good start and much better than expected.
I don't think any agreements have been made with Kim Jong UN. Previous ones were with his grandad.
But, I agree the really hard bit is sticking to agreements. But it's a good start and much better than expected.
This time will be no different. There is no way North Korea will agree to give up nuclear arms, so any tentative agreement reached will be broken again with recriminations and worsening relations. They have an ally of sorts in China and China has a vested interest in disrupting US power and influence. They've already made it abundantly clear to the USA that they, China, are the power of the region and therefore will not tolerate the USA being the sole Korean nuclear power peace keeper. It follows that they will continue to support North Korea in blocking the expansion of US influence in their region.
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Moving around within the EU, prior to Brexit... moving to the EU after Brexit. There is a subtle but important difference if Brexit happens. But the benefits of membership are very important to these companies and their decisions, I'm not sure what you're basing your statement on.
I've highlighted the word essential, so you can see that key figures in the motor industry think the unrestricted access to Single Market, is essential, therefore I'd suggest that membership (or at the very least the benefits of membership) are a big factor.
"We need unrestricted access to the single market of Europe, our largest trading partner. This is essential not just for the import and export of vehicles but also for the trade of components essential for the production of vehicles and other automotive products in the UK."
Who said this?
Mike Hawes, SMMT Chief Executive,
https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/brexit/
Pure co-incidence that they get round any tariff problems of course, and ask yourself these simple questions
If we are going to be a huge success at export trade, why don't they want to build the cars here?
What are we going to export if we don't make any?
Why don't they simply expand capacity to build new models here?
Come off it, they have real reasons or moving these models and what is to stop the others going the same way for the same reasons?
What I find disappointing is that you fall for these patently shallow excuses, when the rats are deserting the sinking ship.
I've got a bit of arthritis in my wrists, that all.
but if you look closely at what DT and K.Y.U. have conceded, DT tried to spin his version, that military exercise is very expensive and he's always wanted to bring US soldiers home, so he cancelled military exercise while Kim blew up some disused tunnels. Kim is slightly ahead.
What was better than expected? you surely didn't think that either of these idiots would miss the chance to appear glorious on the world stage?
Imagine the loss of face there would have been, when all they had to do was put a few general lies down on a sheet of paper with no substance whatsover.
On the contrary it was a put up job, Kim gets recognition, but actually gives nothing away, Trumpo get's his ego swollen with nonsense publicity that gives him a macho image, having gained only the very same faint promises that failed to materialise in the past.
Exactly the same as happened twice before. He was outwitted by "Rocket Man's" nonsensical threats into treating this crummy little dictator as an equal under the pretext that Kim's amateur Nuclear weapons justified it, and as long as something, in fact anything was signed , no matter how vague he had achieved his objective in his own words "Make us look slim and Perfect!"
Hilarious when you think about it.
What a loss of prestige for the United States, that can't even step on a cockroach
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Kim is way ahead methinks, not often someone humbles the mighty USA with a small selection box of twopenny bangers, is it?
Don't fully agree. There is one positive from this an actual agreement to exchange bones or remains of MIAs . Now this costs very little in financial terms, but it will mean a lot to the relatives.
true, but if you look at a parallel in North Vietnam, it took something like 20 years to locate most (and still not all) those MIAs remains. It's more a guarantee that the USA won't just do a DT on them.
And my forecast of failure yet again is already being supported.
While the West has been splashing the meeting and outcome all over the news, North Korean TV news has made no mention of it at all. Clearly keeping their people in the dark about an agreement reached will avoid any embarrassment for Kim Jong Un when the deal falls through, as it will, and they'll be able to portray adverse events as being the fault of the USA.
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