Brexit, for once some facts.

[ianboydsnr]

That's true, but if they give away the right to that single vote, no one is being represented are they? And functionally as a public representative they no longer exist, nor in fact does parliamentary sovereignty.

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They have voted, the fact that you dislike the result is just tough, life moves on, they will still exist, there will still be more votes, parliament can still assert itself at any time, the vote wasn’t to disband parliament, only To pass it back to the lords,
I am sorry if parliament hasn’t lived up to your inpossibly high standards, but I wouldn’t write them off just yet, the games still playing and there is much that we don’t know, like promises made.

 

[oldgroaner]

They have voted, the fact that you dislike the result is just tough, life moves on, they will still exist, there will still be more votes, parliament can still assert itself at any time, the vote wasn’t to disband parliament, only To pass it back to the lords,
I am sorry if parliament hasn’t lived up to your inpossibly high standards, but I wouldn’t write them off just yet, the games still playing and there is much that we don’t know, like promises made.

I'll ignore the condescending tone of your reply as this seems to be typical. The fact you dislike my viewpoint is tough,but I don't require your approval of it.
You are completely wrong in thinking that parliament can reassert itself on this most important matter when they have just agreed to the opposite
The so called last minute concessions still don't offer a veto on the Brexit process do they?
Still it's good to hear the conservative view point championed for a change


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[oldgroaner]

In the Guardian this morning

"David Davis’s Brexit department cast further doubt over the rebels’ claims, issuing a statement which read: “We have not, and will not, agree to the House of Commons binding the Government’s hands in the negotiations.”

So the Brexit Department tells the HOC and Government what to do now?

 

[Woosh]

In the Guardian this morning

"David Davis’s Brexit department cast further doubt over the rebels’ claims, issuing a statement which read: “We have not, and will not, agree to the House of Commons binding the Government’s hands in the negotiations.”

So the Brexit Department tells the HOC and Government what to do now?

I see the reason for the fight: hard brexiteers know that Parliament won't let them detach the UK from the Single Market, their only way to get a clean break is to sabotage any deal by creating chaos, perhaps forcing a leadership contest near the November deadline. Remainers tactic is to hold NI border as their barricade. Both sides are still digging in.

 

[oldgroaner]

I see the reason for the fight: hard brexiteers know that Parliament won't let them detach the UK from the Single Market, their only way to get a clean break is to sabotage any deal by creating chaos, perhaps forcing a leadership contest near the November deadline. Remainers tactic is to hold NI border as their barricade. Both sides are still digging in.

And meanwhile we are running out of both time and ideas,never mind viable ones!
Perhaps Michel Barnier will come to their rescue?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-uk-eu-customs-union-eea-trade-michel-barnier-labour-a8395671.html

 

[Woosh]

And meanwhile we are running out of both time and ideas,never mind viable ones!
Perhaps Michel Barnier will come to their rescue?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-uk-eu-customs-union-eea-trade-michel-barnier-labour-a8395671.html

the EEA solution does not satisfy brexiters and remainers and yet is the only acceptable compromise. TM knows that the EU and the majority of voters will accept EEA membership (last poll puts EEA at 57%) but it will split her party and revive Ukip, meaning tories will lose power. She'd rather kick that can down the road if at all possible. My guess is the hard brexiteers will keep her just to avoid immediate and complete defeat.

 

[Zlatan]

https://dailym.ai/2JHtw9v

Rather a good article from Piers Morgan. Always thought that comment would be mutually exclusive, but credit where credit due. He makes some good points,for a change.

 

[tillson]

Remain supporting MPs say that that Theresa May has given them assurances that parliament will have greater influence over the final Brexit deal. Meanwhile, others in government and in charge of Brexit say no such “deal” exists. What’s going on? Would you trust Theresa May? The word suckers springs to mind.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Remain supporting MPs say that that Theresa May has given them assurances that parliament will have greater influence over the final Brexit deal. Meanwhile, others in government and in charge of Brexit say no such “deal” exists. What’s going on? Would you trust Theresa May? The word suckers springs to mind.

Well yes, agreed.... but you haven't said which side are suckers, which I'm sure is the point you cleverly deliberately made.

 

[oldgroaner]

Remain supporting MPs say that that Theresa May has given them assurances that parliament will have greater influence over the final Brexit deal. Meanwhile, others in government and in charge of Brexit say no such “deal” exists. What’s going on? Would you trust Theresa May? The word suckers springs to mind.

Alas for us that's true

 

[Woosh]

Would you trust Theresa May?

you can't ever trust politicians.

 

[oldgroaner]

https://dailym.ai/2JHtw9v

Rather a good article from Piers Morgan. Always thought that comment would be mutually exclusive, but credit where credit due. He makes some good points,for a change.

Wishful thinking is no substitute for being realistic.
Trump's vanity made him an easy target for a bigger con man than himself in return for vague promises.
And Piers Morgan applauds that?
Perhaps he beileves in "Third time lucky?"

"Stupidity is doing the same experiment again in the same way and expecting a different result"
Attributed to many, including Albert Einstein

 

[ianboydsnr]

I'll ignore the condescending tone of your reply as this seems to be typical. The fact you dislike my viewpoint is tough,but I don't require your approval of it.
You are completely wrong in thinking that parliament can reassert itself on this most important matter when they have just agreed to the opposite
The so called last minute concessions still don't offer a veto on the Brexit process do they?
Still it's good to hear the conservative view point championed for a change


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It’s funny how if someone takes the same tone as you it’s condescending, yet all you post is condescending to people with a different view to you, but that’s ok yes?

 

[oldgroaner]

At a recent meeting Davis told Brussels to learn it's history.
This is one delegate present's response
Jonathan Mills
As a member of RUSI I can let the readers know that his words were greeted with polite but subdued applause. After he departed there was a period of silence followed by considerable laughter. One esteemed and highly regarded member made mention that
Britain has at one time or another been an enemy of every single region of the European continent; but never until now all of them at the same time.
More laughter ensued.

He represents us? is it wise to let him continue if this is the way he carries on?

 

[Woosh]

Well yes, agreed.... but you haven't said which side are suckers, which I'm sure is the point you cleverly deliberately made.

JRM says 'no deal brexit is more likely'.
He is either a sucker or a liar because TM would either go for a soft brexit or kick that can down the road, playing for time.
If brexiters manage to stop a deal, we'd spend the next 5 years in transition and brexit won't happen. People would wonder why we'd spend 8 years in limbo land in the first place.

 

[ianboydsnr]

And meanwhile we are running out of both time and ideas,never mind viable ones!
Perhaps Michel Barnier will come to their rescue?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-uk-eu-customs-union-eea-trade-michel-barnier-labour-a8395671.html

Isn’t that just stating the obvious?

 

[ianboydsnr]

Remain supporting MPs say that that Theresa May has given them assurances that parliament will have greater influence over the final Brexit deal. Meanwhile, others in government and in charge of Brexit say no such “deal” exists. What’s going on? Would you trust Theresa May? The word suckers springs to mind.

There will be a deal there, just not one that Brexiteer mp’s care to admit too at this time.

 

[oldgroaner]

It’s funny how if someone takes the same tone as you it’s condescending, yet all you post is condescending to people with a different view to you, but that’s ok yes?

Nice try, but not correct, I attack the idea, not the person, unless like you they make an inappropriate and sarcastic response

 

[oldgroaner]

Isn’t that just stating the obvious?

Yes indeed, the question is how will they respond?

 

[ianboydsnr]

At a recent meeting Davis told Brussels to learn it's history.
This is one delegate present's response
Jonathan Mills
As a member of RUSI I can let the readers know that his words were greeted with polite but subdued applause. After he departed there was a period of silence followed by considerable laughter. One esteemed and highly regarded member made mention that
Britain has at one time or another been an enemy of every single region of the European continent; but never until now all of them at the same time.
More laughter ensued.

He represents us? is it wise to let him continue if this is the way he carries on?

That seems a rather stupid analogy, if you ask me, we are not enemies of the countries of Europe, we are leaving the EU,

That could and should change, but to talk of us as enemies is rather missing the point, adversarial and unhelpful.